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#1 2015-09-27 17:30:37

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HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

.  .  .  headed to recycling if nobody is interested. I'm thinking it must be an ASCII beast, very cool VT-101 styling, red/purple print on keycaps and VERY yellowed.

Model C1429B  It's 12V for some reason or other. Could this be for a Mini or Mainframe?

I can take pictures during my next session.

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#2 2015-09-27 19:12:37

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Duuude, that's a HIL keyboard.  I'll take it.  smile

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#3 2015-09-27 20:08:02

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

I was gonna say - it's HP. For old 9ks and terminals. Don't chuck it. You got that funky mouse with it too?

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#4 2015-09-27 21:12:38

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Nope, no rodent, but that looks like the connector all right.

@ bb, it's yours, but what's an HIL KBD? You wanted the SparkStation 20(?) as well, correct? The SparcStack is gonna get gone soon too. That was fast, I figured CHC would snap it up  .  .  .  just a hunch.

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#5 2015-09-27 21:38:53

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Sure, sounds good (ss2 I think).  Do you not get my emails?  It seems like I get yours, and then my responses get lost.
Anyway, send me an address and an amount and I can send you the $$ in the appropriate form.

The HIL keyboards are like mcdermd said, for old HP unix boxes.  I only have one mouse/keyboard set between my HP 9000/735 and 425e, so a second would be helpful.

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#6 2015-09-27 21:56:36

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Cool, the one with the polka dotted bezel? It's all me, sorry, I'm forgetful, a horrible procrastinator and money's been a severe problem for far, far too long. I'll pack them up along with the SS mouse and mouse pad you sent me. Would you like any parts from the 20, 10, 8 or the three 5s? I have two of those with the speckled nameplate and one with a plain plate if that's at all rare?

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#7 2015-09-27 22:02:55

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Sounds good, and no problem.  I've been known to procrastinate and forget a time or two.  smile
I don't think I need anything from the other machines, but don't scrap the SS20.  Those are pretty useful workhorse machines.
Thanks!

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#8 2015-09-27 23:03:53

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

SS20 is not going to do me and good. I decided I'm too old a dog to wast time learning old school UNIX tricks, that's why I'm sending back the mouse/pad that you so graciously sent my way, I never even got under the hood of ubuntu as I'd planned, maybe someday. Anybody want the SS20?

KBD has the four pin version of the connector if that makes a difference, obviously untested, I just thought it looked like a cool thing to snag. lol

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#9 2015-09-28 15:05:42

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

I could bite on the SS20.... What else is in the SparcStack?

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#10 2015-09-28 17:08:08

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Sounds good, but everyone needs to know that bb has dibs on anything inside any of the SPARCstack denizens.

SS20's got CD, sans FDD, but that can likely be remedied, a full loadout of RAM (thanks to bb's incredible generosity, IIRC, hence the above caveat) and what seems to be a very cool lookin' VRAM/RAMDAC card in the middle for the MoBo's 13W3. If a VidCard from a SPARCstation 5 will work in anything shipping out, I can stuff an empty slot with that. I gutted one of the 5s for its fab drive cage/cabling setup.

I have the aforementioned SPARCstation 5 trio with one missing its feets and very nice drive cage.

Mystery Card in the stack with RJ-45 port labeled 100BASE-TX next to one that looks like a short SCSI2 connector, labeled MII

@ bb, your SPARCstation 2 has a double-wide13W3 card with 32 VRAM SIMMS (might be Z-Packs?) labeled:

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M5M4C264L
108258-10

Looks cool as all hell, even if it turns out to be pedestrian. I think the PROC card is missing from S-'Bus Slot 1, but I know there's a card with a very cool tri-level round heat sink on it stored with some other parts .  .  .

.  .  .  somewhere around here. hmm

gotta head to work, more details to follow.

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#11 2015-09-28 18:08:25

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Cool.  Yeah, I'm mainly interested in the SS2.  I've got a 20, a 5 or two, a couple Classics, and an IPC, so I'm mostly good there.  I just have a soft spot for the 2.
The card should be an early double-wide CG6, which was pretty good for those machines.  Later they started making them single-wide.  The 2 shouldn't have a removable processor card, it should be onboard (like a socketed 040 kinda), but it had 3 sbus slots, so you probably just see an empty sbus slot.  The 5,10,20 had mbus slots for processors and sbus slots for peripherals.

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#12 2015-09-28 20:32:50

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

bbraun wrote:

The 5,10,20 had mbus slots for processors and sbus slots for peripherals.

Saying this off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure the SS5 doesn't have a slotted CPU/mbus. I do believe some of them do have socketed CPUs and could take a specific upgrade (Like from a MicroSparc to a TurboSparc?), but it's strictly a single CPU machine.

(If you really want one of those I have two in my garage... it's been a loooong time since I powered them up, though.)


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#13 2015-09-28 20:50:00

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Ah, right.  Yeah, it should still use sun4m and mbus internally, just didn't have the slots.

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#14 2015-09-28 21:12:47

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

... Well, I'm not sure about that. SS10/20 used SuperSparc and Hypersparc CPUs, SS4 and SS5 were Micro/TurboSparc and single CPU only. Given the point of MBUS was do arbitration to allow multiple CPUs I sort of suspect they omitted at least some of the MBUS related overhead from the smaller models.


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#15 2015-09-28 21:42:33

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Huh, I always thought the single cpu sun4m machines like the Classic and 5 internally used mbus, just didn't have slots to add additional CPUs.  A quick search doesn't seem to turn up any evidence to support it though.

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#16 2015-09-29 03:20:25

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

What does the VRAM on the GC6 work out to being in MB & pixels? TPD @ 24bit?

WTF does that MII connector on the 100BASE-TX NIC do? I'm assuming any MoBo connector is 10baseT?

I think I've got two different KBDs, both missing incompatible KeyCaps  .  .  .  of course. roll

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#17 2015-09-29 14:03:29

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

MII was another connector type for Ethernet, kind of like AUI, that was supposed to be optimized for 'fast' Ethernet. I also believe it was supposed to be more hardware independent and offer closer to the metal access to the communications bus, or something like that.

I don't remember anyone other than Sun using it, but I'm likely wrong.

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#18 2015-09-29 16:21:41

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

I had an MII to optical (100BASE-FX) transceiver lying around for the longest time. Never had anything to plug it into but it made a good paperweight.

(MII does show up on things other than SUN machines, but it's pretty rare. I've seen MII cards in old Cisco routers, and there are PCI ethernet cards so equipped.)


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#19 2015-09-29 20:23:37

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

bbraun wrote:

Huh, I always thought the single cpu sun4m machines like the Classic and 5 internally used mbus, just didn't have slots to add additional CPUs.  A quick search doesn't seem to turn up any evidence to support it though.

... Just for the heck of it I googled up some datasheets and, yeah, the "baby" 4m's (SparcStation 4/5) are MBUS-free. The MicroSparc-II and TurboSparc CPUs are designed for simple cost-reduced systems and have onboard DRAM and SBUS controllers. SuperSparc/HyperSparc, on the other hand, are designed for "nearly glueless" SMP and the frontside bus either supports MBUS directly (in systems without external caches) or a "VBUS" mode that allows each CPU to have its own local SRAM cache controller which itself sits on the MBUS backbone, while the DRAM and SBUS controllers are external. So, yeah, the only place "MBUS" could exist on the Micro/Turbo systems is the internal bus between the MMU and DRAM/IO controllers on the CPU die itself. (Maybe from a software perspective those look the same as some generic equivalent sitting externally, I suppose that's possible, but it's certainly not an according-to-Hoyle MBUS.)


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#20 2015-09-29 22:04:06

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Methinks this is now an "Other" discussion thread that should be out in the open. I'm not buying, selling or trading anything**** and it's a great general discussion already, so having it hidden away from public view seems like it turned out to have been yet another dumb idea of mine. lol


**** Donations of 512K VRAM SIMM accepted anytime, anywhere though. The 2/4 HPV Card has four empty slots and my pockets are emptier. hmm

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#21 2015-09-30 02:28:59

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

jt wrote:

Methinks this is now an "Other" discussion thread that should be out in the open.

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#22 2015-10-02 18:55:57

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Since the LC was introduced 1990.10.15 at the end of the year, the first pizzabox was likely the 1990 SPARCstation 2, which, unlike the LC, actually does look like a Pizza Box! Did Apple, Apple Zealots or just some dumb schmuck co-opt the term for the most lamed excuse for a Pizza Box WorkStation in the Mac lineup?

Be that as it may:

Interesting design choice on the SPARCstation series, with AUI on board and targeted at high end networked environments, it seems reasonable to hide the FDD on the side of the 2, unlike more pedestrian computers. This "feature" carried on into the 5 and 20 where CD drawers popped way the heck out the side of the silly things. This went from a fairly reasonable upper crusty design trade-off to a very JIveish bit of form over function industrial design idiocy.

So, who used the Pizza Box moniker first and what's the consensus on the sidewinder design for removable media bays?

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#23 2015-10-03 14:30:55

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

I don't think any company making "pizza-box" machines actually called them such, the customers came up with that nickname.

First 680x0 based pizzabox I can think of offhand is the Sun 2/50 workstation from 1985-ish, but it may come with the caveat that it won't hold a disk internally, it was designed to netboot or use an external drive. First self-contained flat Suns were more like 1988 vintage.


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#24 2015-10-03 15:52:04

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Re: HP KBD w/winged RJ-Like connector and like passthru . . .

Interesting side note: over-dramatic SJ industrial design influence upped the ante from "Pizza Box" to NeXTcube, stretched that definition even higher with the G4 "Cube" (that was obviously too tall to call cubicle) and finally added infinitely loopy corners to come up with the "Tube." roll

Interestingly enough, the only one of three that's practical in any real, engineering sense would be the garbage can cover skin for a Cray-like prism. tongue

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