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Nick ThaPizzaBox

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Registered: 2014-05-28

Posts: 8

Getting Online

Hello there. Was wondering. What is needed to get these Macs to go online? I was successful with the Quadra 605 with 7.6.1 and IE 4.01. But all my other pizza boxes with system 7.6.1 wont go online. Everything installs but always "fails to load pages".

I have the same installer disk with the system software I use on all my machines and the same installer of IE 4.01. I must be forgetting something but not sure what.

techknight

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Registered: 2014-05-22

Posts: 453

Re: Getting Online

LC ethernet driver?

LCGuy

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From: Sydney, Australia

Registered: 2014-05-13

Posts: 855

Re: Getting Online

Do these machines have third party ethernet cards? If so the Apple drivers may not work on them - you will need to pull the card out, see what it is, and hunt down drivers for it.

Nick ThaPizzaBox

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Registered: 2014-05-28

Posts: 8

Re: Getting Online

Hello and thank you all for your help with this. Greatly appreciated. I did manage to get online. Somehow Mac TCP/IP was disabled. I could have swore I was already in that control panel....Anyways it is now working. I have a hunch that is the issue with my other machines that "fail to load page"

What would have disabled Mac TCP/IP anyways?

I do have two network cards that I can not get to work either. One Asante and the other API Engineering.

LCGuy

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From: Sydney, Australia

Registered: 2014-05-13

Posts: 855

Re: Getting Online

Asante cards will only work with the AsanteTalk drivers, I can confirm that they do not work with the Apple drivers. And you will also need to put a "dumb" 10Mbps hub in between the Asante-equipped Mac and any modern network that you try and connect to. My guess is that the API Engineering card may also require drivers that are specific to that card.

Nick ThaPizzaBox

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Registered: 2014-05-28

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Re: Getting Online

Hey there and thank you for your replies. Well I have tried to mess around with the Asante and API card and I literally killed a Performa 475 which I just got. I was rather upset at that...So I put the card away. Not to sure if I want to try it out on more computers as I'd rather have the Macs working than the Asante card. I will just buy more Farallon cards as those seem to just always work.

I did download the drivers for the Asante card, it installed and gave the troubleshooting app. That works but fails to see any other Mac or the network. I don't know if it was the card that did it but the machine was working fine. Now, Happy Mac chime followed by the Sad Mac chimes. I just put that machine away too.

LCGuy

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From: Sydney, Australia

Registered: 2014-05-13

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Re: Getting Online

Did you plug the card directly into the network, or did you put a 10Mbps hub in between? As mentioned, the Asante cards need to be connected to a 10Mbps hub, which then gets connected to your network. As for the Sad Mac chimes, try taking the card out. Try removing any extra RAM as well. Has the machine been recapped?

Nick ThaPizzaBox

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Registered: 2014-05-28

Posts: 8

Re: Getting Online

Thanx for your replies. Yes I did recap it as that's what I first thought was the issue. And no I did not try the card on a 10mb hub. I guess I should get one first before I rule out the cards.

I have had everything removed from the machine and it always gives the Happy Mac boot first followed by the chimes of death. I just washed it again and its drying. Hopefully it works this time.

macdrone

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From: Rainier, Or

Registered: 2014-05-25

Posts: 246

Re: Getting Online

Ok I just did this with my color classic.  You do not need a driver for the asante card.  It may or may not work better with one but is not needed.

Install open transport.  You need it because it installs TCP/IP and Ethernet drivers, and asante used apple drivers.

A 10/100 hub before a 100/1000 router is key hardware wise.
In macTCP
Click manual
Click the A change it to C
I used 255.255.255.0 as subnet
IP address should be close to whatever your router is, mine was 192.0.0.0
Then I installed IE 2.1 and Netscape 3 since I forgot to download icab to disk and had those on mac addict CDs.

Open transport is the key here.  I felt silly once I installed it as I know I did it 22 years ago on my performa for exactly the same reason.

jholt5638

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Registered: 2014-10-14

Posts: 16

Re: Getting Online

Are you sure its 192.0.0.0? As far as I recall from my networking classes IP's can not end 0

macdrone

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From: Rainier, Or

Registered: 2014-05-25

Posts: 246

Re: Getting Online

the numbers I used and posted worked for me.

jholt5638

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Registered: 2014-10-14

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Re: Getting Online

I see my problem, apparently .0 and even .255 are perfectly valid addresses now and are no longer reserved since the ip's went classless

mcdermd

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From: Corvallis, OR

Registered: 2014-05-12

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Re: Getting Online

But everyone still follows the old rules. Nobody uses 0 or 255.

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techknight

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Registered: 2014-05-22

Posts: 453

Re: Getting Online

Well 255 is still the broadcast address, even today. How I know this is using this for network scanning over UDP (my scoreboards)

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