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#51 2015-07-05 12:07:44

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

I had actually entirely forgotten the whole clone sub-sector... I dare say the clones would fit fairly snugly into their ownall encompassing  forum in whatever category houses oldworld desktops. smile


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#52 2015-07-09 15:37:50

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

I'm convinced that this restructuring will be focused toward minimising unnecessary overlap rather than dramatically expanding the forums.

I want to see the Other Vintage discussion area added soon. The discussion areas for models will be revised, but I won't be cutting it down to some kind of OldWorld / NewWorld break, expanding them or simplifying them. I don't have any immediate plans to add dedicated discussion areas for clones because our grand total of three threads discussing clone models is already being handled in "Other". We can add new forums, but I'd like to see some activity in a particular area before I start breaking up the forums again to make additional categories or forums.


Also there won't be a category separation between 68k and PowerPC models. The 68kMLA follows this structure already and I'm tired of discussions that suggest we're stealing their IP. As far as I'm concerned, the further away we move from something that resembles their forums, the better. However I won't compromise what I genuinely believe is a functional forum structure simply for the sake of being different. We're taking care of our own house first and foremost.


The current pressing issues are whether to incorporate the Other Vintage discussions into the Technical Forums category or the Model-Specific Forums category. I'm leaning toward the former.

I'm also working out what should happen to the Performa & LC forum. What we have already actually makes some sense. A new member wants to find some information about their Macintosh Performa, so they scan the Performa forum for answers. Sure some models overlap from a technical standpoint, but finding relevant threads for particular product families is rather simple. So I don't want to heavily compromise one advantage to improve on another. I'll consult with serious Apple history buffs and product family specialists if need be because aside from wanting to get it right the first time, I'm also not about to uproot the entire forums for a solution that could actually prove worse down the track.

The proposal to restructure these forums has been on the table for a long time now, so I'm hoping it can be closed and we can return our focus to other areas soon.


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#53 2015-07-09 16:35:33

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

I vote for Other Vintage in Tech Forums.

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#54 2015-07-09 16:46:41

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

LC and Performa models are all but, if not entirely identical technically. Performa differentiation was based upon which software bundle was included and Model Numbers were customized by seller/chain store operation.

Most of you are much too young to recall the "Crazy Eddie" era of Consumer Electronics "discount" store operations. Vendors tweaked the model numbers of large appliances and small appliances, right down to Window AC units, boom-boxes, stereo components and TVs so that "nobody can beat our advertized price" claims were bulletproofed. When models numbers differed between stores, price checking/comparisons between identical products by the consumer were made impossible  .  .  .

.  .  .  so it goes.


edit: CHC, start some more clone topics QUICK!!!!! lol

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#55 2015-07-10 12:27:14

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

This is how many products we need to categorise, for what it's worth. Essentially everything between 1976 and 2005. Our list maybe isn't that extensive (we don't need an assigned forum for the Apple II Graphics Tablet for example, it's just assumed it would fall within the Apple II discussion areas) but it shows how many branches and changes the Apple product strategy went though. It's a difficult process and I'm not sure whether it's something we'll be able to tackle in its entirety yet. Some alterations here and there perhaps, but we aren't ready for an overhaul.

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#56 2015-07-10 15:00:42

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I LOVE it! that's soooo much better in its presentation than everymac's now not-so-Ultimate Mac Timeline. Great job.

Ever since the abortive RosettaStone spreadsheet of '030 PDS SignalAssignment/Bridge variations, I've been wanting to compile a timeline chart of the evolution of the chipsets involved and how the overlap affected the Mac's de-facto '030 slow side I/O Bus Standard. Appending columns of such info garnered from DevNote and earlier pubs to the sides of that graphic will be most convenient! big_smile


edit: now that I think of it, the waterfall display format lends itself to Monitors, KBDs, Rodents and other Apple peripherals from paged left and right.

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#57 2015-07-10 15:23:47

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

We don't have to categorize the machines, only the discussion.  There's probably more products on that chart than a year's worth of topics created here.  This isn't a taxonomy of machines, it's infrastructure to facilitate discussion.

To summarize my understanding of concerns, moving from a more general to a more specific categorization system requires manually sorting all the topics within a specific forum out into their more specific categorization system.  So if we decide to collapse the current system into something like rainbow apple vs. solid apple, that's pretty easy.  But if we decide later more specific categorization is required, all those topics would need to be manually sorted out.  So these types of changes should be handled with some thought and care to avoid that.
On the other hand, adding new topics to what we already have, like "Other Vintage", is not a problem.

At this point, there's so few topics within the machine specific forums, it's still not that big a deal to manually sort topics.  I'm willing to do that, the most topics in any machine specific forum is only 37 right now.  At this rate, there's going to be more posts in this thread about how to sort posts, than the total number of posts we're talking about sorting.

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#58 2015-07-10 15:32:06

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

jt wrote:

I LOVE it! that's soooo much better in its presentation than everymac's now not-so-Ultimate Mac Timeline. Great job.

The original creator would probably appreciate that feedback. I just used it as an example to show how difficult this process is.

Between myself and the community, I somewhat regret proposing this restructuring at all, simply because I can't seem to find a solution I'm satisfied with. Something that the newcomers and skilled technicians alike will appreciate. Something that covers just enough areas without breaking the forums up into a massive list of forums and options, but one that doesn't reduce the selection down to too few forums either.

( This is why I shouldn't be allowed to manage the forum operations. )

The entire concept of restructuring the forums came about because of criticism from outside parties. I didn't particularly think we had an issue, maybe some small issues but that's about it.

Other Vintage is doable. Still working on some last minute details for that one. I'm not sure whether it's worth reinstating Newton in the model forums. That one completely depends on demand. I've moved stance on the Early Intel discussion forum for the moment and feel that we should focus on doing what we do best before we start straying into other focus areas. While I recognise that Performa needs to go to remove overlap, I wonder what this does from a usability perspective for someone perhaps not as knowledgeable looking for the appropriate discussion area for their Macintosh Performa. If we have a discussion forum for "professional" models (Quadra, Centris & Macintosh II) then removing the discussion forum for consumer models (Performa & LC) throws off the balance.

Lets start with some of the simpler requests and tackle the larger ones as the community and its staff actually have the time and energy to do so. We have so many other projects and potential improvements on the go that sometimes it helps to step back and approach this with a different method.


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#59 2015-07-10 15:33:29

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Understood, but immediate realization of side benefits suggested for what you've created as a visualization/organizational tool strike me as a near perfect framework for future collaborative content creation. wink



edit: thanks for clarification on the source of that graphic.

BTW: there are exactly ZERO conflicts regarding organization/design of this site. LC is a founding member of the supposedly conflicting forums. I was of the first generation of expanded leadership with the Peripherals forum appended to the categories specifically as containment for my roving commentary. Any implied "rights" to organizational structure/design transferred along with LC. Usurping control and claiming ownership of an organization previously held in trust doesn't cut it. Assumption of claims to the contrary by any party are just that: ASSumption  .  .  .

.  .  .  'nuf said.

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#60 2015-07-10 15:42:37

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

Maybe just have a couple categories but not machine or device specific,

Hacks and Mods
Troubleshooting and Tutorials
Collections and Conquests
News

etc.

And maybe in forums where specific models are needed, a drop down menu that prefixes the Post title, can have all of the models, or just a rule that you prefix your posts in certain categories

ex:
[Macintosh SE] Strange green glow coming from vents

[iMac G3] I thought these were heavier, something missing?

etc. or just a requirement to tag posts?


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#61 2015-07-11 13:10:47

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

markyb wrote:

And maybe in forums where specific models are needed, a drop down menu that prefixes the Post title, can have all of the models, or just a rule that you prefix your posts in certain categories

ex:
[Macintosh SE] Strange green glow coming from vents

[iMac G3] I thought these were heavier, something missing?

etc. or just a requirement to tag posts?

That could be something we can introduce when we've expanded our forum engine, but tags to denote discussions of particular models sound like a great idea.


So, we think we have something the community will like. Myself and LCGuy have been discussing this and it sounds like we have a winner.


Community Forums

Community News & Discussion
Front Bar
Members' Machines
Buy, Sell & Trade

Product Forums (1)

Apple I, II & III
Macintosh, Lisa & LC (2)
Quadra, Centris & Macintosh II (3)
Power Macintosh (4)
iMac & Power Mac
PowerBook, iBook & Portables
Other
Newton (5)

Technical Forums

Troubleshooting, Tips & Tutorials (6)
Hacks & Modifications
Software & Operating Systems
Peripherals & Accessories
Other Vintage (7)


Lets run through some of the changes.

1. The Machine-Specific Forums category is renamed to become our Product Forums category.

2. Macintosh LC models are now included with Lisa & Macintosh (Compact Mac) to form a division we call "68k Consumer Desktops & AIOs".

3. Quadra, Centris & Macintosh II now forms our "68k Professional Desktops" division.

4. Power Macintosh now encompasses PowerPC Performa models.

5. Newton makes a comeback.

6. Troubleshooting, Tips & Tutorials is our dedicated discussion forum for technical issues not specifically related to any one Macintosh model. This is where you would discuss Maxell batteries, which affect entire product lines instead of one particular model. It's our technical related general discussion. (Formerly "Tech Talk".)

7. Lets discuss Atari, Commodore, IBM, Tandy / Radio Shack, Acorn, Sinclair, MITS, IMSAI... all in a dedicated discussion forum for retro computers other than Apple.


This is open to feedback, but we're extremely happy with this proposal. It checks all the boxes, it isn't overly difficult to follow and it requires almost no downtime to implement. smile


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#62 2015-07-11 17:05:46

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

WFM.

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#63 2015-07-11 18:13:34

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

ClassicHasClass wrote:

WFM.

I really wish I were more up to speed on these acronyms.


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So not everyone agrees with the proposed changes above. There's an alternative proposal being tabled that simplifies the forums instead.

Product Forums

Apple I, II & III
Compact Mac and Lisa
68k Macintosh
Power Macintosh and clones
Power Mac and iMac
Intel Mac
Handhelds (Newton, iPod, iPhone, iPad)
Other Vintage Tech

Technical Forums

Hacks & Modifications
Software & Operating Systems
Peripherals & Accessories


I have my reasons for not wanting this solution. I don't think it would scale well over time, I think it throws way too many different hardware combinations into broad forums  (AIO and Standalone, SCSI and IDE, Notebook and Desktop, different logic boards with different components) and I think while our forums don't need to be as complex as Apple's 1990s product strategy, making the distinctions between product families too simple has its own set of issues.

But I'm not the only administrator and definitely not the only member. This isn't completely up to me. We have our own ideas of how we want the site to be run both now and into the future. So I'll concede and stand down from the restructuring effort if everyone wants a simpler solution.


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#64 2015-07-11 18:34:42

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

iMic wrote:
ClassicHasClass wrote:

WFM.

I really wish I were more up to speed on these acronyms.

Works for me!

or Whole Foods Market....

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#65 2015-07-11 21:05:16

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

iMic wrote:
ClassicHasClass wrote:

WFM.

I really wish I were more up to speed on these acronyms.


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So not everyone agrees with the proposed changes above. There's an alternative proposal being tabled that simplifies the forums instead.

Product Forums

Apple I, II & III
Compact Mac and Lisa
68k Macintosh
Power Macintosh and clones
Power Mac and iMac
Intel Mac
Handhelds (Newton, iPod, iPhone, iPad)
Other Vintage Tech

Technical Forums

Hacks & Modifications
Software & Operating Systems
Peripherals & Accessories


I have my reasons for not wanting this solution. I don't think it would scale well over time, I think it throws way too many different hardware combinations into broad forums  (AIO and Standalone, SCSI and IDE, Notebook and Desktop, different logic boards with different components) and I think while our forums don't need to be as complex as Apple's 1990s product strategy, making the distinctions between product families too simple has its own set of issues.

But I'm not the only administrator and definitely not the only member. This isn't completely up to me. We have our own ideas of how we want the site to be run both now and into the future. So I'll concede and stand down from the restructuring effort if everyone wants a simpler solution.


My personal opinion is that the above layout is a rather nice and streamlined solution tbh, but I do agree, it becomes just as counterproductive having to simple  structure as over time as we get busier, it makes things a lot harder to browse through at leisure for speciic items of interest. Obviously, we have the search function but that is often too specific if you are simply trying to say glean as much info on your newly aquired whatsit with a casual scroll through topics.

The couple of things I would change if it were up to me would be as follows...

First would be to add the Cube, Mini, and eMac to the description of the new-world forum, or perhaps rename it something to better show that it encompasses all of the G3/4/5-based machines. There are a number of ways this could be renamed. Realistically a new person to the hobby would not necessarily be familiar with some of the vernacular we take for granted (such as the "New-World" vs. "Old World" distinction and what it means), so we have to be sensitive to this for the sake of keeping the play user friendly for those who are less expert in the ways of old Macs.

And secondly, I really do think at the very least a seperate section for portables is necessary... At risk of bloating it a little more than we would like, I would suggest perhaps breaking this into two forums. Firstly a forum for 68k and 60x-based Powerbooks from the Portable up to the 1400, 5300, 3400 etc, and then a seperate forum covering the Kanga all the way up to the Albook. Alternatively if it is felt the Kanga is too far removed from subsequent G3 and later Books, I guess it could be shafted into the earlier category... Such are the complications we face when Apple makes bastard child computers such as the Kanga. lol

One option to cleanly deal with the issue of old-world G3 bastard children such as the MT, DT, AIO and Kanga (and I suppose also WS/PDQ) would be to have I guess a single seperate forum encompassing all these machines as OW G3's are a fairly small cross-section, but this might be a little incongruous and rub against the grain a little. ANother option I suppose would be to simply treat them as just another OW Mac to save confusion as in reality they are just that... Perhaps draw the lines in the sand between "rainbow-Apple" era non-OF machines and "Jobs-era" OF machines.

I propose this... smile

Product Forums

Apple I, II & III
Compact Mac and Lisa
68k Macintosh Desktops
Early Power Macintosh Desktops (including Beige G3) and Clones
Early Portables (All 68k and early PPC Powerbooks without built-in USB)
Late PowerPC Desktops (PowerMac G3/4/5, iMac, Mini, Cube, eMac)
Late Powerbooks/iBook (All iBooks, Powerbook G3's with inbuilt-USB and Powerbook G4's)
Intel Mac
Handhelds (Newton, iPod, iPhone, iPad)
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#66 2015-07-11 21:23:14

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

I should mention now that between the proposals put forward by myself and the other community administrators, while we will listen to suggestions for alterations, I won't be taking the entire idea back to the drawing board. I've spent more than enough late nights working on it and I'm done with it. I was hoping that the idea I put forward earlier today would be accepted and signed off so we could implement it today, but it seems as though it isn't meant to be. If we start having more suggestions for "this is how I think the entire forum should look", then it'll be doomed to another 2-3 weeks of discussions.

I need to rewrite the forum names and descriptions, ensure all models are covered, ensure models aren't overlapping, make sure the forum index flows well when reading and ensure the forums are easy to follow. Repeat this process every time we decide to throw out the game plan and start over.

I love this community and I appreciate its members, but I'm drawing the line here. This is resolved one way or another by this weekend.


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#67 2015-07-11 22:19:44

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

I think the initial proposed idea is fine. There might be kinks to work out as the site grows, and those can be tackled if need be.

Only suggestion I might have is have "Newton and Devices", so the QuickTake and PowerCD have a home? (If those are under "other" that's fine.)

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#68 2015-07-11 22:22:57

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The QuickTake and PowerCD are peripherals, rather than systems and would therefore go under Peripherals and Accessories.

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#69 2015-07-11 22:37:43

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I would agree. Definitely periphs.


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#70 2015-07-11 22:43:38

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To be honest, I'm okay with whatever happens. I always just click new, and read every new post as it is.


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#71 2015-07-11 23:08:13

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

markyb wrote:

To be honest, I'm okay with whatever happens. I always just click new, and read every new post as it is.

Indeed... however the finished product ends up looking, I'm certainly not going to be pulling up stumps and going home myself. smile It's just that looking through it from the perspective of a member, and trying to put myself in the shoes of a potential new member or somebody new to the hobby, it seemed that there was a little ambiguity and lack of clarity still (the whole beige-G3 era crossover period which is really a thorn in everybody's ass but nonetheless a relevant cross-section) and also a couple of places where it could be seen that certain users may consider themselves alienated, particularly in the portable department. These were the issues which I was aiming to address with my minor tweak of iMic's post outlining the alternative possibility and forwarding it for consideration. Basically it's an effort at having things clear cut, concise, easily navigable but not unneccessarily bloated, and at the same time not leaving anybody in the cold.

I understand it is a very fine balance  between too much and too little so as I said, I certainly will not be leaving in a fit of rage if I don't entirely agree with whatever the final outcome may be. smile

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#72 2015-07-16 16:12:15

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

So, I haven't managed to get around to it as I had intended to. I've been working almost constantly and will be for the foreseeable future, so I haven't been able to set aside time to make these changes happen yet.

I've reconsidered some of the structure ideas I put forward and having taken feedback on board from members and our administration team alike, it may ultimately make more sense to integrate the LC models into a unified "68k Macintosh" type forum instead alongside the Quadra, Centris & Macintosh II.

I haven't forgotten, it's just taking longer than expected.


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#73 2018-06-08 19:28:09

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Re: Proposed Forum Restructuring (Updated!)

Almost 3 years later...


After some careful consideration and categorisation of various models into product families, I've completed the near final draft of ThinkClassic's revised forum structure.

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1) It's Simplified.

This consolidates the currently 10 separate forums into just 8, and allocates machines into groupings of similar hardware. For example, there was a lot of component overlap between 68k LCs, Performas and Quadras, and it makes much more sense to have them together as the common hardware issues and fixes are likely to be the same.


2) With Less Overlap.

The PowerPC and 68k machines are split into distinct 68k and PowerPC forums, instead of grouping 68k and PowerPC LC's and Performas together, and 68k and PowerPC PowerBooks, despite having significantly different hardware from generation to generation.


3) And More Space to Grow.

Because we've reduced the number of forums required to cover all models, there's now room for a separate Newton or peripherals forum if one is deemed necessary.


4) It's Easier to Navigate.

I think this will greatly simplify answering the question of where to post with a query about a specific machine model, and should we transition the forum engine over to a system that supports sub-forums, these would allocate nicely into sub-forums under a common "Apple" heading.


5) The other discussion areas can benefit too.

The Other Vintage discussion area can be separated out into dedicated forums for Commodore, Atari, IBM, Sinclair, etc within their own category, or it can be reallocated into another category as-is separate from the Macintosh discussions.

More separate technical discussions areas can be established to expand on some of the traditional areas like Hacks & Modifications (which can become Hacks, Guides & Modifications). Dedicated areas for discussions in maintenance, tools, peripherals and even internet and networking are some examples.


And of course our Front Bar, Community News, Buy & Sell and the Members Machines (which should become more of a Collection Showcase) are all due for revamp, with some discussions moved out into newly established areas, some old topics cleaned up, and some fresh content across the board.


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