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#1 2016-05-17 15:35:42

part12studios
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1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

Hi everyone,

I had a thread over in the classic mac section about running some old 68k software..  however I have come to realize I could get my hands on a very affordable G4 1.2ghz machine however it appears to be from 2002.. which is after OSX was a thing.. so I assume the machine will have OSX.

I was interested in running some earlier PPC based music software (digital performer and turbosynth) on the hardware.  I'm a current mac user (macbook pro 17" 2011) and know that Apple is famous (infamous?) for making OS that is designed for the hardware, which makes me wonder if it's possible to "downgrade" this PowerMac

The other question though is that because the hardware is still pre-intel.. maybe the software would still run under PPC OSX?  This machine will be dedicated as a music production studio and yes I'm deliberately bucking modern / faster machines to make this a minimal digital / midi studio to work with the rest of my gear, much of which predates y2k..

Any advise / insight on this would be tremendous as I'm waiting to hear back from the seller of the G4 to see if it's available and possibly

I used to have a G4 (sawtooth) 400mhz machine years ago and that was OS9..  so I have some experience with it, but i was never a power user.. so there is a lot i never really learned well about the OS at the time and macs in general back then.

Thanks,
Caleb

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#2 2016-05-17 19:38:38

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Re: 1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

If it has the first generation FireWire ports, then, yes, it'll run 9.2.2 natively.  Has to be 9.2.2, though.  If it's FW800, then you're stuck with running 9.2.2 in the Classic Environment under OS X through 10.4.11.  One warning...  The Mirror Drive Door models have very loud cooling fans, especially if dual processor and running 9.2.2.  Sounds like a Shop Vac running.  Might not be optimal for music production.  I'd almost consider getting a G4 Digital Audio with an upgraded processor (like a 1.2GHz G4, instead of the stock 466, 533, 733, etc).  Much quieter.  Doesn't look as cool as the MDD machine, but your sanity will be worth it.

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#3 2016-05-17 19:48:14

part12studios
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Re: 1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

thanks for the food for thought!  @volvo242gt    yea i had a 400mhz sawtooth g4 back in the day..  i don't remember it being noisy.. but that was about 15 years ago.. and i didn't know a lot of things back then..   i see a local 350mhz system for $50 for sale that looks VERY much like my 400mhz model..

however right now it seems like finding the vintage software itself is a challenge..  i am spoiled by the amiga scene because EVERYTHING ever made just about seems to be online and easy to download..  but i'm not seeing that kind of archive for the old mac software..   

So i think before i buy anything.. I have to make sure I have the software to run on it.  my original Mac Classic conundrum (getting files from OSX to System 6 Mac Classic) was simple (albeit unsuccessful so far) because i have the turbosynth software.. but moving to a power mac i'm aiming to make it for music production (digital audio recording / midi) so I need good working software.

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#4 2016-05-18 01:01:33

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Re: 1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

volvo242gt wrote:

If it's FW800, then you're stuck with running 9.2.2 in the Classic Environment under OS X through 10.4.11.


Although I don't have the correct machine to test, I'm told that we resolved this problem on the FW800 models over a year ago. Some of the members of the OS9Lives forum have been running OS 9 natively on their MDD FW800s.

The fixes have since been incorporated into the 9.2.2 Universal installation disc.

http://www.thinkclassic.org/viewtopic.php?id=347


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#5 2016-05-18 01:43:35

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Re: 1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

@iMic hey that's awesome news!  Of course I heard back form the 1.25ghz guy that the hard drive is now bad.. might be all that's wrong with it, but there are other systems for sale..   

What I would love to know is if there is a well known place to find abandonware / old software for macs.  There are several really nice sites for Amiga software.  I need to track down programs like Digital Performer 3.x  Speaking with MOTU, all they have is possibly 7 or newer..  I'd be happy to pay for the old software to get legit stuff, but I understand this isn't a usual request. 

Without the software, having the old machine won't be much but something taking up space.

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#6 2016-05-18 16:08:16

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Re: 1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

http://macintoshgarden.org is a good starting point


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#7 2016-06-20 00:47:13

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Re: 1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

I have a G4 1Ghz 1.25GB RAM, and 80GB HDD. Used the FW800 disc to install OS 9 on this "OS X Only" Machine. Works like a charm, installing games now.

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#8 2016-06-20 20:38:08

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Re: 1. could a 2002 G4 mac desktop roll back to OS9? 2. even necessary?

part12studios wrote:

@iMic hey that's awesome news!  Of course I heard back form the 1.25ghz guy that the hard drive is now bad.. might be all that's wrong with it, but there are other systems for sale..   

What I would love to know is if there is a well known place to find abandonware / old software for macs.  There are several really nice sites for Amiga software.  I need to track down programs like Digital Performer 3.x  Speaking with MOTU, all they have is possibly 7 or newer..  I'd be happy to pay for the old software to get legit stuff, but I understand this isn't a usual request. 

Without the software, having the old machine won't be much but something taking up space.

  Everything you need for old audio apps, as well as multiple versions of the "Universal" 9.2.2 install, is available at macos9lives.com.  This site is almost wholely dedicated to audio and OS 9.  Any help you might need should be available in their forum.  The 'unsupported' G4 systems project is also on-going there.

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