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#1 2017-02-13 03:47:03

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NewerTech PowerPump accelerator for Quadra

Has anyone here ever tried using one of these?

NewerTech PowerPump - Quadra 700/900/950

  I'm a sucker for really strange upgrades, and this one certainly fits the bill.  It's not merely an upgrade - it upgrades another upgrade!  I sorta get the idea how this installs in the system but have never seen it done.

  I have a Quadra 700 and a couple 950's plus one of the Daystar 100MHz upgrades that could combine with this.  The only problem is the eBay seller won't ship outside of the US.  Anyone willing to grab one and relay it to me in Canada?  Obviously I would cover all costs.

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#2 2017-02-13 13:27:42

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OMG, I want one and I don't have or desire to obtain the PPC upgrade card!

If nobody else will do it I will, but I'm a TERRIBLE procrastinator when it comes to getting to the post office.

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#3 2017-02-13 18:19:31

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Re: NewerTech PowerPump accelerator for Quadra

the power pump i put in my quadra 700 will not overclock without the ppc card.

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#4 2017-02-14 03:41:39

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Can you post any pics of your installation?

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#5 2017-02-14 13:03:02

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Re: NewerTech PowerPump accelerator for Quadra

macdrone wrote:

the power pump i put in my quadra 700 will not overclock without the ppc card.

Isn't intended to, I've got the version that overclocks the stock MoBo. I just gave in to temptation. hmm

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#6 2017-02-14 15:47:52

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The package notes seem to only allude to the 66MHz version of the PowerPC upgrade if you're using one, but I don't own that version.  I'm wondering if it will work equally well with the 100MHz version which I do have.  Since it physically occupies the first nubus slot I'm guessing it won't work with the odd-ball 80MHz version with the RAM slots on-board.  (I own one of those also but it appears to be defective - probably a failed voltage regulator.)

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#7 2017-02-14 16:18:24

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I'll help you out. PM me.

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#8 2017-02-17 13:28:23

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I got mine in the mail yesterday. This is the coolest upgrade card I own, what an awesome friggin' hack! cool

Anybody wanna swap a NewerTech NuBus G3 card with borked PDS passthru cable*** for a compatible 601 upgrade card?



*** I've got a few with the good passthru as well, but to my way of thinking they're worth way more than a 601.

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#9 2017-02-17 22:17:41

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MJ313 has kindly offered to help me out with getting a couple from the eBay auction.  I'm still interested though in anyone who already has one posting photos and write-up of their experiences with it.

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#10 2017-02-18 00:11:17

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Ordered up! I am personally interested in dual mode RocketPump-etry.... right up jt's power supply crushing alley smile

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#11 2017-02-18 08:42:45

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I've messaged the seller to see if s/he would be willing to ship to the UK, but if there wasn't any luck in getting it sent to Canada...

I'd like to install one of these in my Q700. I like the idea that it boosts the stock 040 as well. What a cool find!

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#12 2017-02-18 11:51:38

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Happy to help you out as well, if you want!

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#13 2017-02-18 15:27:07

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MJ313 wrote:

.  .  .  dual mode RocketPump-etry.... right up jt's power supply crushing alley smile

https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/to … ?hl=rocket wink

I'm tempted to buy a second one just for the wiked cool 68040 HeatSink/Fan, I've always wanted to try overclocking my original Rocket33 to 40MHz. big_smile



edit: my Quadra 840AV's logic board is (very likely) FUBAR and I can't get at it ATM, is the CPU socketed? The 50MHz peak goes un-summited! tongue

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#14 2017-03-01 22:35:58

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Re: NewerTech PowerPump accelerator for Quadra

The CPU is indeed socketed on the 840av.

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#15 2017-03-02 00:31:52

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Re: NewerTech PowerPump accelerator for Quadra

< chuckles evilly and rubs grubby little paws together >

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#16 2017-03-07 04:38:51

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Much thanks again to MJ313 for relaying a couple of these units to me!  They just arrived in the mail today.  If I have some time this weekend I will post photos of the many parts in the package before I go about trying to lead-foot a Quadra 950.  Hopefully this will play ball with the Daystar 100MHz PPC upgrade.  I don't see why not since it's driven by bus speed changes only.  The control panel probably won't display the correct speed though.  Hilarity shall ensue...

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#17 2017-03-07 18:27:34

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mj's good peeples. Can't wait to see your pics, you're saving me the trouble of taking any myself! Best of luck getting it up and running with Speedy Gonzalez.

Pretty sure mine's going into the parts bin, the last thing I need is a half-@$$3D PPC kluge mucking up the joint  .  .  .

.  .  .  but a shot at a 50MHz Rocket hack on the other hand, HEH!!!!! cool

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#18 2017-03-08 20:58:55

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Glad they got there! and looking forward to your report and pics!

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#19 2017-03-11 21:23:55

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Okay, so I've got a bit of an update for anyone interested in these PowerPump accelerators. MJ313 kindly forwarded one on to me; I'm very grateful for his efforts. Thanks, sir! At first, I thought I would take a series of photos to show you my progress with the PowerPump and to let you know if it worked. As I got going with things, I thought a video would be better. Here's the link:

VIDEO: Newer Technology's PowerPump Accelerator - Unboxing and Installation

The TL;DR version of the video is this: The PowerPump works in a Quadra 700 despite not having a PPC upgrade card installed. I increased the native clock speed from 25MHz to 30MHz. Installation was a bit fiddly, but it was a fun little experiment!

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#20 2017-03-12 16:22:57

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Awesome presentation, L9!  You saved me a fair amount of posting effort with your excellent video.  I'm still going to post some 'static' pics of the bits though and then report on what happens with the Q950/Daystar 100MHz combo.

  It occurred to me today that I should be able to steal the Peltier cooler and heatsink off a Nubus PPC motherboard and fit them in place of the stock heatsink on the Daystar.  This would keep the noise down by eliminating the one extra fan while improving the cooling and therefore the max speed on the PPC chip.  The Q950 power supply offers plenty of wattage headroom, so the Peltier cooler should be of no consequence.  I just have to make up a power cable for it and connect it to one of the numerous spare drive power output headers.  If everything works out I should have a 'virtual' WGS9150/120 with better on-board video.  Gonna crank this thing to the max!

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#21 2017-03-12 16:51:23

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MacOS Plus wrote:

Awesome presentation, L9!  You saved me a fair amount of posting effort with your excellent video.  I'm still going to post some 'static' pics of the bits though and then report on what happens with the Q950/Daystar 100MHz combo.

  It occurred to me today that I should be able to steal the Peltier cooler and heatsink off a Nubus PPC motherboard and fit them in place of the stock heatsink on the Daystar.  This would keep the noise down by eliminating the one extra fan while improving the cooling and therefore the max speed on the PPC chip.  The Q950 power supply offers plenty of wattage headroom, so the Peltier cooler should be of no consequence.  I just have to make up a power cable for it and connect it to one of the numerous spare drive power output headers.  If everything works out I should have a 'virtual' WGS9150/120 with better on-board video.  Gonna crank this thing to the max!

Great stuff, MacOS! I'm really looking forward to what you achieve with your specific setup. It's going to be cool to see this thing in the Q950. Having the thing come out as a WGS9150 sounds amazing! Please do share photos and a breakdown of your process. Some of us aren't lucky enough to have found a Q950...yet! smile All the best!!

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#22 2017-03-13 04:58:56

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So, really, this is just a clock multiplier and a fan? I could do the same with a new crystal?

Love the video, Lazarus. We need more like it to live vicariously.


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#23 2017-03-13 07:52:13

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Yes, mcdermd, I think you're probably right. It's a glorified crystal replacement (and overly complicated in my book). This was made (presumably) for people that wanted an impermanent solution (as if a bit of desoldering and re-soldering is permanent). A friend of mine said something funny after watching the video: 'Can't you just do this same thing in BIOS?'. I can see where he's coming from. Anyway, thanks for the kind words on the video!

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#24 2017-03-13 08:54:12

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Re: NewerTech PowerPump accelerator for Quadra

Great video, was actually contemplating picking one up for S&G's for my Q700, though the only seller that is currently selling them isn't shipping outside of the US.

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#25 2017-03-13 16:16:18

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LCGuy wrote:

Great video, was actually contemplating picking one up for S&G's for my Q700, though the only seller that is currently selling them isn't shipping outside of the US.

It might be worth checking with MJ313 to see what's possible. He was kind enough to work out an arrangement to get one to me. Thanks for the nice feedback on the video. I was quite pleased when NewerTech responded to me on Twitter. Maybe they even watched the video. Who knows? tongue At least they're now aware that the company made something as random as this back in the day!

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