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#126 2015-05-23 06:51:12

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Re: mcdermd the Applefool

I never saw them when I was a kid in the early '80s. They were this rare kind of beast. The stuff of unicorn tales. It took me becoming an adult to find out they were called "cocktail" tables for a reason - 90% of them were placed in bars. I never saw them because I wasn't old enough.


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#127 2015-05-23 12:52:09

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My grandfather has a Sega unit (can't recall the title, its a space shooter) that I hope to get one day.

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#128 2015-05-23 15:17:26

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I would love to have a cocktail table Mrs. Pacman. (With the high speed mod enabled.) Easily my favorite arcade game.


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#129 2015-05-23 19:56:13

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One of my favorite local bars that's been around as long as I have had a Ms. Pacman cocktail upstairs for years. It was always a fun player. I went there recently and it's been "upgraded" with one of those 60-in-1 boards and an LCD screen. It totally ruined the nostalgia.


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#130 2015-05-23 22:49:13

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Of course I have no idea how common those Ms. Pacman machines really were but it sure seems to me they must have been about the most common game to come out in cocktail format. In addition to bars I remember seeing them a lot in those 70's-style pizza parlors that started dying out by the mid-90's. (They used to have one in the Spaghetti Factory downtown but, likewise, that machine has been "upgraded". It's a crying shame.) Ms. Pacman (the on-crack version) and Puzzle Bobble/Bust-a-Move are the two arcade machines that I pretty much can't resist slamming a quarter into when I see them, and for some reason I particularly like the cocktail version of the former.

When did they start making those combo Pacman/Ms. Pacman/Galaga tables? I've seen a few of those around and it looks like it's still possible to get a brand new one. (Alas it seems like those bogus LCD conversions are more the rule.)


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#131 2015-05-24 01:17:50

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Re: mcdermd the Applefool

This is Ms Pac-Man.
ThisismspacmanoncrackanyquestionsIdidntthinksohahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


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#132 2015-05-24 04:41:18

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The "multicade" thing has been a thing for almost a decade, I think.

Here's the scope of the market as I see it right now:

1. The operator. This is the oldest population. This is the guy that buys machines to place them into leased space and revenue-share with the property owner. This is how all games were owned "back in the day". To this person, a game is only worth the number of quarters it brings in. As soon as it is no longer profitable, it's retired or converted into a better money-maker. This is why you see 60-in-1's and multitcades in the wild today - they make more money.

2. The hacker. This is they guy that reskins Windows because he digs on Winamp and made his own MAME-cabinet because only suckers buy machines with only one game and he can grab every ROM to every game ever made. He will buy an original Donkey Kong and add a control panel with 25 buttons to the front so he can play Galaga and Street Fighter. The original 19" 4:3 CRT monitor should be tossed so he can put a "sharp" 23" 16:9 LCD in it's place.

3. The collector. This is me. Everything has a time and a place. When dealing with the dwindling supplies and fading memories, bringing a cabinet back to what it would have been as-new is about the best tribute as possible. Recreating the experience for a generation that never had a chance to step foot into a smoky arcade is something joyful. I never enable free-play because I think that the feeling of dropping the quarter is part of the experience of playing. There's a passion for the connection with the past that drives the hobby.

I'm sure you guys know my Mac collecting habits and can see #3 in the work I do with the applefool collection. The dedication to originality and period-reconstruction (and at times, upgrades) is probably doubly so with my arcade machines. The arcade restoration community is very strong. Where else can you find people dedicated enough to reproduce the cassette tape label for a 1983 "Journey" arcade machine?


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#133 2015-05-24 04:53:22

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My eventual hope is to have four fully restored Hydro Thunder machines in my house.

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#134 2015-05-24 04:55:04

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LINKED!

My kids love that game.


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#135 2015-05-26 16:32:50

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Heh, found a C64 with power supply, mouse and 1541 floppy drive for free. Butchered up a composite cable and it looks like it works fine. I've never owned a C64 before. Now to figure out how to write some disk images.

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#136 2015-05-26 17:27:37

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Your first Commodore? I can tell, because you have a mouse connected and not a joystick. big_smile

I'd look into getting an Epyx FastLoad cartridge -- cheapest and easiest way to improve on the sluglike speed of the 1541 disk drive -- and for disk images, a ZoomFloppy would be easiest on today's hardware (a/k/a an xum1541). This is an interface board that connects between your 1541 and your Mac/PC over USB. I ported it to PowerPC, natch, but the OpenCBM package is open source and available for just about any OS.


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#137 2015-05-30 15:52:44

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Re: mcdermd the Applefool

a commodore could run apple pro dos if I remember.  I know I put an apple menu on there back in to day.

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#138 2015-05-30 16:43:47

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ProDOS? No. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

There was a device called a Spartan Mimic that turned a Commodore 64 into an Apple II, but it did it by essentially being an Apple II in an external box.


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#139 2015-05-30 18:45:46

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Nice, I hadn't seen the ZoomFloppy before.  When I recently needed to image the Seiko RC-1000's floppy, I fell back to my old XM-1541 and an old DOS laptop.
Out of curiosity, do you use actual floppies (ZoomFloppy can put d64 images to actual floppies), an IEC/SD thing, or a 1541Ultimate like device?
I tend to prefer not using actual floppies unless I need to, and the 1541Ultimate seemed to be the most compatible/accurate option for just using images directly without needing floppies, but I haven't looked in a couple years.  Last I looked the IEC/SD type devices didn't play well with fastloaders in lots of games or with geos.

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#140 2015-05-30 18:58:18

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Re: mcdermd the Applefool

Might be GEOS that you're thinking of, Jason. 

Geez, haven't seen that blue screen in years...  We finally sold ours off in 1991 after my father got an XT compatible from a friend of his.

But, yeah, replace the mouse with an Atari joystick (or compatible version).

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#141 2015-05-31 01:21:54

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bbraun wrote:

Nice, I hadn't seen the ZoomFloppy before.  When I recently needed to image the Seiko RC-1000's floppy, I fell back to my old XM-1541 and an old DOS laptop.
Out of curiosity, do you use actual floppies (ZoomFloppy can put d64 images to actual floppies), an IEC/SD thing, or a 1541Ultimate like device?
I tend to prefer not using actual floppies unless I need to, and the 1541Ultimate seemed to be the most compatible/accurate option for just using images directly without needing floppies, but I haven't looked in a couple years.  Last I looked the IEC/SD type devices didn't play well with fastloaders in lots of games or with geos.

I usually use actual floppies (with the G5 acting as a .d64 library), but I do have a 1541Ultimate on order with a compatible USB ethernet device. I have a MMC64 but I don't use it much exactly for the compatibility reason you cite except when I need an RR-Net type device.

The ZoomFloppy is a good device. I highly recommend it.


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#142 2015-05-31 15:30:31

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Re: mcdermd the Applefool

ClassicHasClass wrote:

Your first Commodore? I can tell, because you have a mouse connected and not a joystick. big_smile

WOW! big_smile What a blast from the past, mcd! Like CHC said: substitute a pair of wireless joysticks for the mouse and a 15" Trinitron TV as the monitor and that's my very first computer!

Red Baron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cool

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#143 2015-05-31 19:41:19

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Re: mcdermd the Applefool

In my case, two Atari joysticks and a 12" Zenith B&W TV.  Also add the Okimate 10 thermal transfer printer.  Then, later on, add a 1571 drive in addition to the 1541.

I am kinda surprised that the original power supply has survived.  Ours died in 1987.  Two years after we bought the computer.

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#144 2015-05-31 21:00:22

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I had an Okimate 10 also. The ribbons were kind of expensive, but the colour output was incredible for the time. There's an Okimate 20 around here somewhere.

My regular Commodore setup (next to the G5) is a 128DCR (built-in 1571), a second external 1571 with a serial switchbox (between the 128DCR and the ZoomFloppy), a 1902 monitor, a lotta joysticks, a cartridge port multiplexer with an Epyx FastLoad, a Turbo232 and an MMC64 with RR-Net, a Comet "internet Modem" in the user port and then scattered other cartridges like an EasyFlash which exclusively plays the exceptional Commodore port of Prince of Persia.


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#145 2015-06-01 02:44:32

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The 1764 REU cart came with a beefier PSU, which is what I tend to use these days.  There was a guy selling some new homebrew PSU's for the C64 on ebay, I got one but it seems to generate waves in the video signal, which I take as a bad sign so don't use that one.
I'm one of those people that riced out my C64 with several different kernal and basic roms with switches installed into the case to select between them, S-video out, RCA jacks for audio in & out, and a two-tone paint job on it, so I stick with my breadbox C64.  Similarly, switches installed on the 1541 to select the drive number.
I've got one of the original (probably first batch) 1541Ultimate, which works great as a disk drive, but the cart functionality of it is hit and miss for me.  I'm contemplating upgrading to the 1541UltimateII just out of curiosity.

Thanks for the recommendation on the ZoomFloppy, I've got one on the way now!

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#146 2015-06-01 04:47:32

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That's fun. Did you back that Kickstarter with the newly manufactured 64C cases? I've got a red, white and blue set on the way. Might mod that a bit.

My main interest in the 1541U, besides the serial device, of course, is making it act as a NIC.


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#147 2015-06-01 05:12:25

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Nah, I didn't see the kickstarter, but I'm not a huge fan of the 64C/128 form factor.  Too deep, especially with an expander sticking out the back.
My understanding of the 1541UII is they haven't released a version that actually does any networking yet.  I remain a bit skeptical on that part of it, since they've been promising USB network capability since the 1541U was first put out something like 6+ years ago.  It does seem like they're getting closer, but even when it's done, they're not aiming for compatibility with any of the existing implementations.  It sounds like they're offloading the whole IP stack to the 1541UII, so it can be an ftp server while also handling C64 initiated sessions.

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#148 2015-06-08 07:02:41

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Been scoring more arcade machines that "real" computers these days but picked this up for free today:

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Doesn't work and the cabinet's very rough (wood is swelled on the two big sides). It will be a longer-term project but free was too good to pass up.

On the Apple front, I've got a 9500 coming my way at some point along with a lot of old boxed software. Kind of a "mystery box" of things that will be a fun surprise. Hope to post that up soon.

I need to update the photo gallery. I could keep myself busy for a couple of months updating it with the stuff currently in the wings.


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#149 2015-06-08 16:21:02

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I love the Exidy music chip from games of that era. It's so chirpy and cheery, especially in Mouse Trip.


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#150 2015-06-08 23:13:39

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Thats amazing.  I loved that game.  Cannot beat free.

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