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#26 2014-12-03 19:58:48

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Eudimorphodon wrote:
Cosmo wrote:

Is there any good source of the A/UX installation media?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the ANS is the mutant cube-shaped PowerPC server, right? In which case it uses AIX, not A/UX.

Indeed, you're right, AIX.

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#27 2014-12-03 20:39:11

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Correct. Cameron is probably the best source for ANS information: http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/


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#28 2014-12-04 02:59:18

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Mutant refrigerator. But yes.

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#29 2014-12-04 06:06:09

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mcdermd wrote:

Correct. Cameron is probably the best source for ANS information: http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/

Oh yes, that's great site, thanks all smile

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#30 2014-12-04 14:14:03

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I have the AIX media for the ANS. I've never tried to copy/image it (I run NetBSD on my ANS). I could try popping it in a machine and see what I can find.

I also have the other media that came with the ANS - the Appleshare server stuff, backup software (Legato?), etc. Haven't pulled it out in a while. I can take a look if you want me to.

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#31 2014-12-04 18:03:07

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There's nothing special about it, no weird protection or anything. Toast or mkiso will image it just fine.

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#32 2014-12-05 05:38:23

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ScutBoy wrote:

I have the AIX media for the ANS. I've never tried to copy/image it (I run NetBSD on my ANS). I could try popping it in a machine and see what I can find.

I also have the other media that came with the ANS - the Appleshare server stuff, backup software (Legato?), etc. Haven't pulled it out in a while. I can take a look if you want me to.

Oh yes, please do! Thank you very much.

Can't remember if the files ever were on Apple Developer CD's, probl. not..

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#33 2014-12-05 14:47:48

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I'll see what I can do this weekend. Things are pretty hectic for the next couple of days.

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#34 2014-12-05 21:49:03

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ScutBoy wrote:

I'll see what I can do this weekend. Things are pretty hectic for the next couple of days.

There's no hurry at all. Take your time.

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#35 2014-12-06 18:17:59

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Amazing. I might actually get another, an ANS 500 soon. However it's been storaged in a car garage.

I need to do an 200km+ round-trip to pick it up sometime soon when i can arrange some time for it.

Update:
He should also have AIX 4.1.4, 4.1.4.1 and 4.1.5 update discs saved up. This is not confirmed however.

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#36 2014-12-14 17:22:48

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Picked an ANS 700/150 today!
No CD rom. With AIX 4.1.4 & upgrade cd's smile

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#37 2014-12-14 18:30:16

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Excellent! You're in like Flynn!

Pro-tip: Try to see if the update CDs are bootable. If they are, then don't even bother with the 4.1.4.x CD -- install from the bootable 4.1.5 Harpoon, it's a full ANS AIX. You should always try to run 4.1.5 on the ANS if you can, there's a lot of bug fixes!

If the update CD is not bootable, it's an upgrade disc, and you'll need to install 4.1.4 first and then install the new SMIT packages off the 4.1.5 CD.

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#38 2014-12-14 18:43:48

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ClassicHasClass wrote:

Excellent! You're in like Flynn!

Pro-tip: Try to see if the update CDs are bootable. If they are, then don't even bother with the 4.1.4.x CD -- install from the bootable 4.1.5 Harpoon, it's a full ANS AIX. You should always try to run 4.1.5 on the ANS if you can, there's a lot of bug fixes!

If the update CD is not bootable, it's an upgrade disc, and you'll need to install 4.1.4 first and then install the new SMIT packages off the 4.1.5 CD.

Thanks mate! It'll take some time when i get into this more deeply. Also, i might be looking into getting another ANS anytime soon....

Need to find that SCSI CD-ROM somewhere. Hope i did not clean those all out about an year/two ago... anyway, those should be easy to find elsewhere.

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#39 2014-12-14 20:14:30

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I saw it on Facebook. Nice score!

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#40 2014-12-14 21:38:42

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Nice! I won't worry about imaging my AIX cd now smile

However, I don't have the AIX update CD's. If you ever get a chance to image those, I would love an archival copy wink

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#41 2014-12-15 02:33:02

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Cosmo wrote:
ClassicHasClass wrote:

Excellent! You're in like Flynn!

Pro-tip: Try to see if the update CDs are bootable. If they are, then don't even bother with the 4.1.4.x CD -- install from the bootable 4.1.5 Harpoon, it's a full ANS AIX. You should always try to run 4.1.5 on the ANS if you can, there's a lot of bug fixes!

If the update CD is not bootable, it's an upgrade disc, and you'll need to install 4.1.4 first and then install the new SMIT packages off the 4.1.5 CD.

Thanks mate! It'll take some time when i get into this more deeply. Also, i might be looking into getting another ANS anytime soon....

Need to find that SCSI CD-ROM somewhere. Hope i did not clean those all out about an year/two ago... anyway, those should be easy to find elsewhere.

Yeah, pretty much any Apple ROMmed SCSI CD-ROM should work. I think mine is an old 4x.

EDIT: I assume you mean an internal. Never booted AIX from an external CD-ROM, though I don't see why it wouldn't work.

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#42 2014-12-15 07:41:51

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ClassicHasClass wrote:
Cosmo wrote:
ClassicHasClass wrote:

Excellent! You're in like Flynn!

Pro-tip: Try to see if the update CDs are bootable. If they are, then don't even bother with the 4.1.4.x CD -- install from the bootable 4.1.5 Harpoon, it's a full ANS AIX. You should always try to run 4.1.5 on the ANS if you can, there's a lot of bug fixes!

If the update CD is not bootable, it's an upgrade disc, and you'll need to install 4.1.4 first and then install the new SMIT packages off the 4.1.5 CD.

Thanks mate! It'll take some time when i get into this more deeply. Also, i might be looking into getting another ANS anytime soon....

Need to find that SCSI CD-ROM somewhere. Hope i did not clean those all out about an year/two ago... anyway, those should be easy to find elsewhere.

Yeah, pretty much any Apple ROMmed SCSI CD-ROM should work. I think mine is an old 4x.

EDIT: I assume you mean an internal. Never booted AIX from an external CD-ROM, though I don't see why it wouldn't work.


Yes. internal drive of cos as there's empty bay for it.

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#43 2014-12-16 05:35:55

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Found an another, 3rd, key for the ANS from inside of one of the drive bays.

There seems to be connectors for just one HDD on those bays. Others are empty. I am in a process of finding the CD-ROM drive and an suitable SCSI wide HDD.

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#44 2014-12-16 08:26:29

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http://www.xs4trade.net/index.php?cPath … 3bbp4d1mi0

Spare parts for the ANS. Pricy, but those are next to impossible to find otherwise.

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#45 2014-12-16 16:05:11

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From the factory the rest of the trays came empty. You needed mezz boards to fill those (Apple sold them as kits).

I eventually replaced all the empty trays on my 500 with full mezz kits so that they all can take disks, though only one is occupied right now. Shreve Systems was blowing out their ANS stock about a decade ago and I bought damn nearly everything.

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#46 2014-12-16 16:34:03

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I got lucky in that mine came from Apple so it was fully-kitted from the get-go. CD-ROM, DAT, all trays have mezzanine boards (SCSI-1 IDC50 and SCSI-2 MD50) and I have four extra trays. That's still one of the best scores I ever landed and I still hear from the seller every now and again.


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#47 2014-12-16 18:26:14

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Are you sure it wasn't given new trays after the fact? Mine also was direct from Apple (by way of the bookstore, but they never did any changes to the hardware, so it was as ordered), and the trays were present but empty except for the HD, CD and DAT. I added the mezz boards myself later.

I guess you could order it from Apple that way, but mine definitely didn't come from the factory like that, and neither did my 700.

EDIT: Or are you saying you got one of the ones Apple was actually using as a server (like the Austin group)? I could believe those were fully kitted.

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#48 2014-12-16 19:08:25

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Yes, it came from Apple internally. The guy that sold it to me got it as surplus when he worked there in the late 1990s. Apparently, they would lay out old equipment in a space where it was free game to whoever wanted it. I also got the PowerBook 540c prototype from him. He was in Cupertino area, though not Austin.


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#49 2014-12-16 20:14:41

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Ah, ok. Apple actually used ANSes as production servers for a number of years until they liquidated them in 2005 for Xserves. The Austin group was the most famous of those machines.

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#50 2014-12-17 05:50:52

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I'm quite fine with one HDD. Need to pick one up from a friend as i don't seen to have any. Should get one CD-ROM drive also tomorrow, among with Powerbook Pismo.

Picked an Powermac 8100/100 yesterday. Need to get from my father who helped me to get it.

Got also an donation again, very interesting stuff on the floppies!

Macintosh 128k swe/fin keyboard + cable
Macintosh 512k/plus swe/fin keyboard + cable
Apple T-shirts - several (sealed bags)
Apple Desktop Bus Mouse II
Apple mousemats (Jertec Oy, early importer/sales company of Apple in finland back in 80's - sealed)
EyeTV hybrid (3pcs, sealed)
EyeConnect (3pcs, sealed)
Macintosh 3.5" 400k & 800k floppies in a box (about 100)
Apple ][ 5.25" floppies (about 100)
Windows 95 = Macintosh '89 -sticker

Also the Macintosh floppy-emu arrived! Yeah!

I think i'm in order of cleaning lots of stuff in early 2015. I am running seriously out of space in the workroom..

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