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#1 2015-07-10 03:40:58

tommyheadleycox
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iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

Greetings Classic Thinkers,

15 years ago I bought a brand new iMac DV+ in the fabulous Ruby color.   Over the years I kept it going using forums like this one.  I installed 1 gb of SDRAM.  I installed a 7200 rpm 40 gb hard drive.  I installed OSX 10.4.11, Tiger.    That was about 6 years ago and i was pleased with the result.

I could do most everything i needed to except full motion video.   Unfortunately, that's no longer the case.  The machine has become very slow.  CPU usage goes to 100 % when launching firefox or safari.   and it takes a long time to load.  that wasnt' the case before.  I'm thinking that it has something to do with one of the mandatory Apple (or who knows what) updates I've had to install along the way over the past 2 or 3 years. 

Trouble is, I don't know how to "back out" of the situation, and go back to an earlier build.  or if it's even possible.  I'd sure welcome some help.  The machine holds inestimable nostalgic value for me.  BTW- I can run Photoshop CS3 just fine.  I can read email fairly well.
but internet is painful.

about this mac:

iMac DV+
Model:  Powermac 2.2
OSX 10.4.11
450 mhz PowerPc G3   
1gb SDRAM

Hard drive:
Seagate Barracuda ATA 40 gb, 7200 rpm
19.7 gb available

Thanking everyone in advance,
Tom

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#2 2015-07-10 04:28:46

cc333
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From: North S.F. Bay Area, CA
Registered: 2014-05-23
Posts: 562

Re: iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

450 MHz is too slow for anything Internet-related to work especially well. It will work, but it'll be slower than molasses in winter at best.

If you were to find a logic board from a 600 or 700 MHz G3 iMac, that would help some.

By the way, if you're still using Firefox 3.6, I'd recommend upgrading to the latest build of TenFourFox (it's a PPC port of modern Firefox. Here's where you can find more info and download a copy: http://www.tenfourfox.com/). It's slower still, but it's MUCH safer to use on the modern WWW.

c


Main Macs: Early '09 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 13"
Secondary Macs: Early '08 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 15"
Playthings: Mac SE/30, 3.0 GHz Mavericks-based HackServe, Many others....
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#3 2015-07-10 04:44:50

TheWhiteFalcon
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Re: iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

It'll be speeding up once version 38 goes gold.

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#4 2015-07-10 05:42:07

Schmoburger
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Re: iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

Yep, 450MHz is a bit fringey on the modern interwebs... it will work but not overly well, and OS 10.4 also doesnt play too well with G3-based machines as it is optimised around the Altivec engine, CoreImage and faster CPU speeds so whilst it works, it really isnt spectacular. I even retired my 500MHz-upgraded Yikes G4 a few years ago because it was just getting a little to sluggish for me to be happy with, and that was with a 64Mb graphics card. It still does anything else just fine, but the internet has become too bloated for old hardware to chew on comfortably nowadays.

And Mozilla and it's derivatives, whilst capable and with good compatibility, have never had a reputation for being particularly fast, even on good hardware, so you really are behind the 8-ball if you have a slower machine. TFF is great and I'm glad it exists, and it is slick and stable on a dual-core G5, but don't expect it or any other FF variant to go at a particularly frightening pace on any machine with a CPU speed that is measured in MHz.

Your best bet for performance if your software is all supported by 10.3  is going to be backpeddling to OS10.3 with an Archive+Install, and getting a copy of the 10.3.6 combo update .pkg file and leaving it at that then reinstalling any software you have to if the fresh install happens to remove any neccessary library elements. Then for the purposes of the internet, put a copy of OS9.2 on the machine and download Classilla and use that as your primary  browser either booted into OS9 or running it in the built-in Classic emulation (which I also beleive 10.4 does not have). Classilla is basically the OS9 port of Mozilla but rebuilt and maintained with current Firefox bits to keep it compatible with most of the modern internet... It's basically the only completely up to date and viable option for OS9 but it does it's job very well. You will probably fid it a fair bit faster than using firefox in Tiger, as frankly... well... Tiger is just bloody horrible, especially if you dont have a G4. I put it on the 2nd hard drive in my 450Mhz G3 tower when it first came out and wiped that install off it again within 6 months as it was woefully slow.


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
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#5 2015-07-10 15:21:47

ClassicHasClass
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Re: iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

I have a strawberry iMac with a Sonnet HARMONi 600MHz G3 card and ... it's really a lot happier in 9.2.2 than it is in any version of OS X. Jag is tolerable.

I still offer a G3 build of TenFourFox because I can and because I think it's nice to do so, but all but the last 1GHz G3 is probably hopeless for Internet work except for very mild sites. 38 will only improve that marginally on a machine of this class. (To put it in perspective, I don't even have Tiger on that iMac, let alone TenFourFox.)

Camino 1.6 should run on 10.3. It would probably be better than Classilla under those circumstances.

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#6 2015-07-10 16:38:24

jt
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Registered: 2014-05-21
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Re: iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

Yah, too slow. I haven't used any Macs for WWW (Internet is probably fine, WWW ain't it! tongue ) since Beater, the 1400c/G3/466 road warrior running iCab under OS9 went unused about eight years ago. A bit over six years ago I firewalled my little OS9 Mac Graphics World from the WWWeird entirely by using NetBooks. When it slows up (like now) it's just time to bump 'em down a notch in the pecking order.

Still haven't gotten Classilla up, no time, but TenFourFox on the "new" AlBookG4/12/1.33 is nice, even if the unspeakably evil iPhone won't allow it to tether.

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#7 2015-07-10 17:30:35

cc333
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Registered: 2014-05-23
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Re: iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

If you're running Leopard and iTunes 10.6.3 on the AlBook, your iPhone should tether fine (the key, I've found, is to get 10.6.3's drivers installed, as anything older won't work, and there's a bug in newer versions that prevents it from working on any OS older than Mountain Lion; that being said, if you use Pacifist, you can install "AppleMobileDeviceSupport" manually onto just about any recent iTunes version (haven't tried if it'll work on iTunes versions >= 9.x on Tiger, though).)

c


Main Macs: Early '09 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 13"
Secondary Macs: Early '08 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 15"
Playthings: Mac SE/30, 3.0 GHz Mavericks-based HackServe, Many others....
Desired: Lisa, Kanga PowerBook G3, Apple IIc, Apple II, Spare parts, etc.

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#8 2015-07-10 18:05:53

tommyheadleycox
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Re: iMac G3 Ruby is maxed out. question

Well, thanks to one and all for the helpful replies to my original post.  'Tis as I expected.  Schmoburger said it best:  "the internet has become too bloated for old hardware to chew on comfortably nowadays."     ( Why can't there be a Mosaic version of the internet again?)   I'll just continue to use the Ruby  as is.   One cool usage that y'all might like:  It's the interface between my iPhone and my German large scale model railroad layout.  I can walk around with the iPhone and run any of my trains, cause they all have digital addressable decoders inside them.
It would be fun to gut this iMac, install a flat screen, and then use a Mac mini as a pedestal underneath it with cable running through the bottom of the computer.
Regards,
Tom

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