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#1 2015-04-29 16:17:36

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The Quadra 630 thread . . .

.  .  .  that's long, long gone missing and is much overdue in this Digital Media Age.

I'm surprised that so few have a deep and abiding love for the Quadra 630 and its full 68040 powered, Com Slot/Apple MPEG Media System/Apple TV/Video System (with DVA connector) goodness. It's the Modular Toy Shop of the Mid-Nineties Digital-Media revolution with first generation support of affordable BigAss HDD Storage, VGA Monitor Support and even provision for the sexiest of little Credit Card size remote controls.

It's true, none of the Modules were even close to pro quality, but they all came straight from Apple and were eminently affordable for the Digital Media dabbler of the day in comparison to their Digital Media Production environment siblings. Apple may have updated the Quadra 630's 68LC040 Road Apple'd offspring with DOS Compatibility, but that single Video and Audio Out Connector was the only upgrade of the original Quadra 630 until the Performa 6360/PCI MoBo/PSU was dropped into its box.

Reply's DOS Card for the LC slot is far more capable than Apple's DOS Compatibility offering. One of my long forgotten projects is to get Reply's Double-Decker DOS Card up and running in my original  Quadra 630 (first release, bought NIB from Tekserve along with the Credit Card Remote/Apple TV/Video System and a System 7.5 Upgrade CD coupon in box) by synthesizing the functionality of the Video and Audio Out Connector cable from readily available signals on the cabling harness inside that cute little Quadra badged box. The only necessary and easily reversible mod to the original Quadra 630 is the transplant of its late model Road Apple PPC offspring's 6360/PCI Slot Compatible AssFlap. big_smile

Quadra 630, the last and arguably best/most versatile of the venerable Quadra Series and harbinger of the PPC powered Digital Media Production Age dominated by the Macintosh platform.

Dissenting opinion?



edit: Consider: this, if I might say so, is coming from someone who's arguably the most NuBus Slot/Expansion Card crazed Mac maniac of all time! roll

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#2 2015-04-29 17:35:40

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

It's....kinda ugly...

That being said, IDE...yum...cheaper than SCSI for sure.

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#3 2015-04-29 17:43:22

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I quite like the 630, I actually think it looks quite good smile (Maybe i'm biased because my Performa 630 is my only CIB System... smile )

I just want to find a DOS card for my 630... I haven't ever seen one on eBay UK

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#4 2015-04-29 18:01:27

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I cannot go so far as to say I love the machine, but I will concede to the fact this is largely an aesthetic judgement (because let's face it, we all know that the raw processing power of a computer is directly proportionate to how sexy the enclosure is that holds all the boring crap together! tongue lol ), and they really arent the worst Mac ever made, in fact, quite the opposite. I'm just a bit of a snob for upright cases that's all lol big_smile


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#5 2015-04-29 18:19:03

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

TheWhiteFalcon wrote:

It's....kinda ugly...

I'll agree with that, given just one caveat, EVERY Mac defaced by the Espresso Design Language is at least kinda ugly. wink

Think of it as the second generation descendant of the IIsi with Espresso downgraded PseudoFeets that make it 5/16" higher. Install a tray loader CD/VCD Optical Drive adding just another 21/32" in width for its right front mounted Power Button/I/R Window/AV Controls and Headphone Jack. Its 1.5" in additional depth houses a real PSU and all those lovely expansion cards and boxen  .  .  .  with 10bT connector.

Looks darn good with a 17" Sony Trinitron, BTW. tongue

p.s. The Credit Card Remote box inside my TV/Video System box had an Avid VideoShop CD and a real, honest to goodness Wood Pulp Media based RTFM UI device sitting under it!

p.p.s. has anyone ever bench tested its IDE throughput against Apple's horrid SCSI implementation? I can't imagine it being a being even a bit slower.

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#6 2015-04-29 19:13:03

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I've been trying to get the stack of Mac IIcx/IIsi form factor boxen re-stacked again so as to fit in the corner of the closet. mad  Think of the Q630 as Slave Leia to the Q650's disgusting Hutness in terms of beauty and especially size! @*&*#%$>&^*(__|__)!!!

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#7 2015-04-29 19:25:55

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

Has anyone successfully stuffed more than 36MB in the Q630?  I would guess some folks probably figured that one out long ago?

I do like my 6360... but probably because it sits next to my Franken8550, my PoS 6100 and boring as all hell (and bloated) 7600.  I used to be quite fond of that 7600... but it's fallen out of favor. It has no soul.

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#8 2015-04-29 20:09:33

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I'm exercising iron fisted will in resisting my low level IIsi hacking obsession until I get my life as back together as it ever has been (not very) roll but passing curiosityand day dreaming about Q630 hacking might be kept to a reasonable level.

The reason I offered the Q630 as the hands down choice from the piles of offal Macs in the other thread  .  .  .

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.  .  .  is that it is an amazing platform for investigating the dawn of the Digital Media Era circa 1995 using stock Apple playthings stuffed inside a compact and easily accessible form factor hooked up to an SVGA Monitor/LCD.

Hacking in a DOS Compatibility Card or getting the Reply DOS Card up and running in the stock 630 is one avenue of exploration. The Reply's card is already on that list.

Confirmation of, or debunking the 1MB DRAM frame buffer limitation of the Video Subsystem would be more interesting than maxing System Memory for me, but it's been re-confirmed, I'm bat shit crazy. tongue

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#9 2015-04-29 20:46:13

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

MJ313 wrote:

boring as all hell (and bloated) 7600.  I used to be quite fond of that 7600... but it's fallen out of favor. It has no soul.

As also an owner of a boring as hell and equally bloated 7600, I can sympathise. I liked that machine a lot a long time ago... and for what it is worth it really did plug along very nicely if still fairly sluggish compared to the G3 which replaced it with 384Mb of main memory, a 16Mb Rage128 and some other choice items, and was quite functional with some choice additions such as firewire and USB.  I love the case design as far goes funcionality and bulk space goes too, but it is incredibly lacking in style, presence or anything. It looks for all the world like another one of your uninspiring officeboxes like the Compaq Deskpro of the day or the modern Dell Optiplex.

For what it is worth, now that I have the 9600 I always wanted, I dare say that 7600 is unlikely to see the light of day again any time soon... as it stands, it really hasnt since about 2005 anyway.


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#10 2015-04-29 20:48:56

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

PS... I still am well... I'd say awestruck by that photo, but i dont feel that word is really powerful enough to describe my feeling at this point.


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#11 2015-04-29 20:54:51

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

Lol, I like how no one mentioned this 7600 hate in my recommendations thread. big_smile

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#12 2015-04-29 21:00:14

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

The Q630 is a perfectly functional machine IMO.  Taking a 128MB RAM SIMM, and a CS ethernet card leaving the other slots available, makes it a totally adequate machine.  I have one plugging away as a little IIgs boot server and running WebStar.  I can't say there's much to get excited about them, but there's certainly nothing wrong with them.  Unfortunately, I've also found the power supply tends to fail on these machines.

I've been wanting to get a TV Tuner card working with it, since I've got my analog cable tv network.  I've been through two tuner cards and can't get the machine to recognize either, so have kinda given up on that project for now.

The 7600 seemed like another perfectly adequate machine.  The desktop formfactor makes it useful in some situations where the towers don't, particularly the super large 9600.  I bought a used 7600 back in '99 or so for my first dedicated Darwin development machine.  It worked pretty well for that until support for the 604's was dropped.

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#13 2015-04-29 21:19:25

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

Car analogy! Flame away!

The 7600 is a Honda Accord. Perfectly functional and roomy and accessible. No hot rod. Nothing exciting. A family-mobile.  Good for pretty much anyone that needs a PowerPC.  So great in so many ways... but when you look at the whole package you say to yourself... yeah, it's a Honda Accord.

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#14 2015-04-29 21:37:39

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I think the word for that picture for me would be dumbstruck, the only things in the pic that are remotely interesting to me (as I've already got the LC series-n-Q605) would be the Power Clone running a distant second to a quartet of matching 6100 Sandals for the one I already have that's thrown three of its shoes.

The Quadra 630's definitely the gem in the listing of the contents of that dung heap in terms of the one single Mac (68k as icing on the cake) most appropriate for exploring as many avenues of research into the Mac in transition during the deepest darkest days of Apple in the Nineties.

Mind you, I already have enough of the others right here to have satisfied much of my own curiosity along all the modules that can be stuffed into my Quadra 630 in hand. YMMV


For standalone/single model dedicated thread, the Quadra 630 is without doubt deserving, IMO.

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#15 2015-04-29 22:30:56

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

TheWhiteFalcon wrote:

Lol, I like how no one mentioned this 7600 hate in my recommendations thread. big_smile

Lol I wouldn't call it "hate" as such... more along the lines of lukewarm apathy. It was there and it did a thing once... but now it's just, meh? In every way like a Ford Taurus. lol


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#16 2015-04-29 23:21:23

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I'll go along with that Taurus analogy, the plastics on that thing are very reminiscent of the Taurus' bulbous curves. I can't believe that ill conceived design set a trend. Until fairly recently, the low rounded "styling" of most cars looked like steaming BullFlops to me.

If

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#17 2015-04-30 01:02:59

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

Schmoburger wrote:
TheWhiteFalcon wrote:

Lol, I like how no one mentioned this 7600 hate in my recommendations thread. big_smile

Lol I wouldn't call it "hate" as such... more along the lines of lukewarm apathy. It was there and it did a thing once... but now it's just, meh? In every way like a Ford Taurus. lol

Hey now, them's fighting words.

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That car has a drag coefficient of .30. It's also the vehicular equivalent of a Sherman tank (current model is the Abrams).

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#18 2015-04-30 02:13:01

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

Nice angle, what year?

Steaming CowFlop:

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Remember, the intro model year Mustang was just a gussied up Ford Falcon  .  .  .  TAM anyone? roll

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#19 2015-04-30 02:19:22

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

That's a Taurus SHO you posted, that car will blow the doors off of a lot of Mustangs. 3.0L Yamaha built DOHC V6. big_smile

Mine is a 2003.

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#20 2015-04-30 03:12:05

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

Back on topic...I got my LC630 as a freebie in 2001, from the computer shop I was doing work experience at at the time. I remember on the day I got it I was waiting for the bus to come and someone thought it was a VCR *giggle*

But yeah...great machine. Mine came to me with max RAM and a Video System card...since then I've added a DOS card (with a 32MB SIMM), boosted the RAM to 132MB (2 64MB SIMMs), put in a CS Ethernet card, upgraded the HDD to 40GB, and upgraded the CD-ROM drive to a 12x unit. The only thing that I don't like about it is the crap video subsystem...really if it had the video subsystem of the LC475 (allowing up to 832x624 in 16 bit colour, or up to 1152x870 in 8 bit colour with a full 1MB of VRAM), it would be perfect.

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#21 2015-05-01 01:49:57

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I have to say I was much disappointed with the 630's available video resolutions at first. That didn't last long because I didn't use the rugger's 17" Trinitron AV/TV/HomeworkStation to do graphics work at home for very long. 16"@8bit sufficed for what I was doing anyway.

I think there's some strange buffering going on in the Valkyie ASIC of the 630 to deal with the Apple Video Player display window.

Many moons ago I discovered that a screen shot of the System Display including an active AVP window came up blank blue(?) within the window, yet the video feed was present onscreen. I surmised that the Mac's video subsystem was handling only the windowing of the AVP program and whatever else was on the desktop. That's undoubtedly why there's a screen cap function built into AVP, screen shots at the System Level don't work.

The Video window buffer appears to be piped directly into the available pixelmap of the AVP window without CPU involvement in the process. I checked the Function of Valkyrie in the block diagram and the "VID bus" coming from the Video-In Slot is clearly shown as a stand-alone data path.

AVP doesn't work at 16" rez, but it does at SVGA rez in a scaled window up to 640x480. The SVGA feed is 8bit, but now I'm wondering if the Video piped into the AVP window is at 16bit? HRMMM? neutral

Curious goings on indeed, such might handily explain why the 630's video subsystem does not seem to be on a par with that of the Quadra 605. Then again, what other MoBo video from the era had VGA/SVGA support?

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#22 2015-07-14 16:26:27

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

My first 68k desktop was a Q630, although I did not have the AV add-ons or a CD-ROM.
Its a decent Mac. Fairly quick, Snappy graphics, cheap HDD's.

Its downfall is that horrible Spindler plastic. It made my Q630 a useless pile. I still have its logic board but the rest is long gone.
Someday I may get another Q630 as being the first 68k desktop I owned its pretty special to me...

Honestly I sort of like the case looks - its very mid-90's modern. Too bad its made of the worst plastic known to man.

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#23 2017-01-12 19:03:05

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

I also got a 630DOS but it had random shutdowns.
I changed the power-supply from another 630 and broke up one mainboard connector to the ground of the case. I put another on in, but it is not so stable.
The next reboot I get no "gong" and "no video". I sent the 630DOS to someone who changed all caps but still no video nad no gong.

Any idea what the problem is and perhaps "jt" has a replacement-mainboard for me smile

Greetings
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#24 2017-01-12 19:07:19

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

Is your pram battery dead?


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#25 2017-01-12 19:35:39

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Re: The Quadra 630 thread . . .

There is none anymore. This machine does not need one.

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