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#151 2015-11-07 20:21:50

Schmoburger
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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

SO having a rather sour taste in my mouth from the steaming pile of failure that was the G3 DT rebuild to date, it is nice to report a success somewhere else finally in that batch of machines I retrieved from storage.

In the process of pulling out the pair of big DRAM modules from the rather despised 7600 video-pig to put into the 9600 and removing the Radius MotoDV firewire card to rebox it and put it away, I decided to give it just a little bit more exploration, seeing as though it was now in a barebones kind of state again. Having just this morning realised that the secondary HDD was in fact still fully functional and bootable, I put it back in to test with. As usual, it did the same thing... showing only a grey raster and a cursor, or starting to access the disk, displaying a happy mac and then hanging there. This in itself got me to thinking along the lines of SCSI voodoo or possibly a bad cable, connection, or even some shit memory.

Well... I ruled out voodoo by disconnecting the CD-ROM drive and having no real change. I then swapped SCSI channels and pulled out a random pair of DIMM's leaving only two, and reseated the CPU. This time I got no raster at all... just a chime. Could it be that it was faulty RAM all along? Welp... I substituted the other pair of DIMMS and then after getting a raster again, and happy mac, the disk this time kept accessing and an an 8.6 splashscreen showed, followed by the extension parade and a desktop. big_smile So it turns out all this time it was a simple RAM fault... I beleive in hindsight this was a pre-existing issue that degenerated over the past decade, as I recall the machine used to sporadically lock up during a session at random. The 7600 now currently functions perfectly again with exception of an odd vertical artifact that goes the entire height of the screen top to bottom and follows the cursor. Havent worked that one out yet...


Anyway... now I know I have at least a complete working machine, I must now decide what to do with it. I intended to use the WGS as exactly that, a file server upon which I could store all of the vintage hard drive backups that are currently stashed on the 9600, as well as a set of viable system folders and copies of all the various softwares I might want or need to use. As the logic board appears cactus in it, I may appropriate the 7600 to this purpose instead. Much and all as I grew apathetic towards these machines, I must admit to always having stilll felt a little attached to this particular piece of rubbish, being the first Mac I hotrodded, and the machine that I learned a lot of editing skills on, archaic though some of the techniques were by that time.

That said, I am likely to also fix the WGS using some 7600 parts from a scabby old machine I painted black years ago.


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G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#152 2015-11-16 17:24:03

Schmoburger
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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Well, mylatest escapade, and the reason I have been a little quiet, has involved sprucing up my Sawtooth ( the one from earlier in this thread I hadnt found a use for) as a testbed for some PPC Linux shenanigans, something I have been wanting to have a play around with for some time for the sake of novelty, and also in an effort to explore the usability of older PPC equipment in an environment where planned obsolescense or forced deprecation are removed from the picture by way of alternative open-source software. Having heard great things about MintLinux, I opted to install the MintPPC 11 port of it onto the G4 as a standalone (no Mac partition whatsoever)with a generous 1Gb of RAM and a low milage 7200rpm 40Gb HDD to play with. I also put the R7000in for the moment, borrowed from the Yikes, in the absence of an appropriate stock or aftermarket AGP card.

Well, I am impressed to say the very least... This old 400MHz Saw browses the web quite respectably in Iceweasle and the lighter weight Midori browsers. Media playback is good and even Youtube video playback is... well... doable. It isnt particularly smooth in 720 but in 360 it is actually still quite fluid. Given theis machine predates Youtube by a good half a decade, that isnt a terrible appraisa lof it's ability on the web. Facebook'sincredibly bloated desktop site is also not amazing by any standard, but far more usable than it was in TFF under 10.4, and all up, the UI is fluid and quite responsive...  running rings around 10.4, which is essentially useless on a machine this old and slow due to the degree of bloatware. It's a very Windowsy UI but it is far far from unpleasant... It's simple, intuitive, refined, and nice to use. In fact,I am posting this as we speak, as I managed to hose permissions on my G5 and had no choice but to use MintG4 as my primary computer since two days ago... It's for all intents and purposes been a very livable experience, and standard, the distro comes with an assortment of useful and functional programs so it basically allows you to be productive with it straight out of the box.

I must say, this G4 has been given a new lease on life I never thought possible, and it has definitely secured itself a permanant place on a desk due to MintPPC!

As for the G5? well... it's 2/3 fixed now... to the point its booted from its own drive again at least. What a nightmare though.... and Im still locked out of one drive so have a bit to do yet.


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#153 2015-11-26 12:23:27

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Schmoburger wrote:

Well, I am impressed to say the very least... This old 400MHz Saw browses the web quite respectably in Iceweasle and the lighter weight Midori browsers. Media playback is good and even Youtube video playback is... well... doable. It isnt particularly smooth in 720 but in 360 it is actually still quite fluid. Given theis machine predates Youtube by a good half a decade, that isnt a terrible appraisa lof it's ability on the web. Facebook'sincredibly bloated desktop site is also not amazing by any standard, but far more usable than it was in TFF under 10.4, and all up, the UI is fluid and quite responsive...  running rings around 10.4, which is essentially useless on a machine this old and slow due to the degree of bloatware. It's a very Windowsy UI but it is far far from unpleasant... It's simple, intuitive, refined, and nice to use. In fact,I am posting this as we speak, as I managed to hose permissions on my G5 and had no choice but to use MintG4 as my primary computer since two days ago... It's for all intents and purposes been a very livable experience, and standard, the distro comes with an assortment of useful and functional programs so it basically allows you to be productive with it straight out of the box.

I must say, this G4 has been given a new lease on life I never thought possible, and it has definitely secured itself a permanant place on a desk due to MintPPC!

Nice, I've got a 450 AGP that is in the dining room waiting to be washed and put to use. 10.2 is a complete dog on this machine for some reason. PPC Linux sounds like it might be a very good bet indeed!

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#154 2015-11-27 01:39:02

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

10.2 is a dog on any machine compared to later versions - 10.3 or 10.4 should be much nicer so long as you have a decent amount of RAM.

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#155 2015-11-29 06:39:28

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Yep, my experiences with 10.2 and 10.1 are rubbish... they are very unrefined by compariosn to later versions, and dog-slow on anything as compared to 10.3.

10.3 is beautiful, in as much as to say it seemed to be at least as fast as OS9, and I stood by it for as long as I humanly could for that reason. It was my go-to OS on anything with a G3 or G4 for years... realistically it was pretty usable with 256Mb and anything over 512Mb is plenty. My Yikes with 1Gb, 7200rpm drives, a 500MHz Encore CPU and an R7000 flies. But unfortunately there isnt much left in it as far as being able to use it daily anymore, with all the third-party application support being for 10.4 and above. I guess, given that 10.4 will run on anything that 10.3 will run on, this kinda makes sense, however the issue is that with all the added things that 10.4 incorporates with little regard for slower hardware (let's face it, nobody cared... Steve wanted you to buy a new computer), it really does slow down by comparison to the previous version... I really do find nixPPC to be far less painful, in fact not at all painful. smile


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#156 2015-11-29 08:14:25

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

With 512MB RAM or more, I always preferred 10.4 over 10.3. But 10.3 was my gateway back to Mac as a full-time OS (on an Indigo iMac DV).


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