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#1 2015-01-02 08:55:23

Cosmo
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Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Posted this on FB, but not everybody's there so here..

Any software suggestions for imaging / reading Macintosh 3.5" disks (400k, 800k and 1.4Mb) more deeply than just using i.e. Diskcopy?

Have hundreds of disks to image/read and would like some more "bit-level" software to get it done. Suggestions?

Not going Kryoflux level however on this smile

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#2 2015-01-02 19:22:59

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Let me answer your question with a question: why would DiskCopy not be suitable?


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#3 2015-01-02 20:47:38

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Probably due to copy protection schemes.  Disk Copy may not be able to deal with it, just like how the old Apple II COPYA utility couldn't.  I wonder if the old Central Point Copy II Mac software would work for this project.

-J


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#4 2015-01-04 09:28:18

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Not really copy protection, but some disks have problems, quality, errors, i wondered if there would be some better software to cope with all this. They do not of cos compare to Kryoflux, but that's kind of overkill for me right now. I'm tempted about it however.. it requires (?) modded drives wich are expensive to obtain i believe.

I managed quite well with Disk Copy and Copy II Mac so far. I ended up backing up some 250+ disks and about 20 being either unreadable, have errors or so. Some of the disks might have (and ones i was able to copy partly) early Finnish, Macintosh history from this company, data, product price lists, etc data. I might need to ask a friend with Kryoflux to give a shot on those disks if they could be recovered in full.

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#5 2015-01-04 23:30:01

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

doesnt DDRESCUE do this on linux? Well i guess that would only work on 1.4MB MFM disks. haha.

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#6 2015-01-05 10:33:38

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Yeah, was wondering that too, but for HDs. I have a Wallstreet hd i want to clone before it dies, but it as two partitions, one OS8.6 and one Rhapsody 5.6.
Re-installing and customizing Rhapsody  as i like again is long...
Would dd command work for that ? Guess i'll have to try.

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#7 2015-01-05 16:17:54

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

dd should work fine as long as you use whatever device is "the whole disk" (for example, on NetBSD it would probably be something like /dev/sd0c).


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#8 2015-01-05 16:19:47

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

(By the way, I also have a Wally running Rhapsody. I think the Wally is the best Rhapsody laptop, though mine dual boots to 9.2.2 on the other side. 9.2.2 can rescue Rhapsody if the PRAM gets scrambled, too.)


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#9 2015-01-05 16:53:26

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

ClassicHasClass wrote:

(By the way, I also have a Wally running Rhapsody. I think the Wally is the best Rhapsody laptop, though mine dual boots to 9.2.2 on the other side. 9.2.2 can rescue Rhapsody if the PRAM gets scrambled, too.)

Thanks, Will try then. That's what i want anyway, cloning the whole disk.
I have another one with Rhapsody / 9.0.4 . Please what do you mean by 9.2.2 rescuing Rhapsody ? 9.2.2 has something special for it that 8.6 hasn't ?
Love these Wallstreets with Rhapsody. Only problem, they don't sleep hmm And with these old noisy HDs … If cloning works, will try to restore the HD to a CF card that will replace it on an ide-CF adapter. Then, no noise … Then again, if it works. Cause i've tried a Kingspec SSD on that Wallstreet once, and it wasn't recognized.

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#10 2015-01-06 01:42:19

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

I don't know about 8.6, but if the PRAM gets scrambled, Rhapsody won't boot (like, for example, the battery ran out). If all you have is Rhapsody on the disk, then the Mac is not bootable; you have to reinstall the OF patches manually. 9.2.2's Startup Disk knows how to do this -- boot into 9.2.2, reboot into 9.2.2 again (if you don't do this and go into Startup Disk immediately, the machine will hang), go to Startup Disk, select the Rhapsody volume, and reboot. The OS X Server booter will be restored.

9.0.4 might be able to do that also, but I'd really upgrade to 9.1 if you can (for other reasons).

Yeah, I wish sleep worked on the Wally in Rhapsody. That would make it just about perfect. Well, and if it had some way of checking the battery. Haven't found one in IOKit yet. It's possible Apple never wrote that support, since it was never intended to run on any laptop.


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#11 2015-01-07 06:14:12

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

I never thought that you can read Macintosh 1.4M floppies with Linux machines LOL it did work, i tried that last night with USB floppy drive. But it wont read 800k disks wich kind of kills the whole idea.

I am getting more and more tempted with Kryoflux as i have several different machines, wich of cos, use various formats. Let's see, it's kind of expensive, some 120€ + drives to be obtained/modded....

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#12 2015-01-07 23:24:29

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Dumb question. Has anyone compiled ddrescue for A/UX? That would get the job done...

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#13 2015-01-10 17:54:34

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Ok, it works.
I used two 2.5 hdd usb cases (which can take both IDE or SATA drives), plugged my Wallstreet OS8.6/Rhapsody IDE drive in one and a IDE to CF adapter with a 8Gb cf card in the other. Then plugged the two USB drives on my MBP and did :
sudo dd if=/dev/disk2 of=/dev/disk1
(disk2 being the Wally Hdd and disk1 the cf card.)

WEKcf02.jpg

after about two hours, the whole disk was cloned.
you see the progress of dd by doing ctrl-t during the process.
Then put the IDE to CF adapt. and card in the Wally . have to cut the 20th pin of the adapter to fit in the Hdd plug.
And it booted on first try. Had to zap PRAM though to get the SystemDisk utility to work. But so far , all ok.
feel even a bit faster smile And silent !

WEKcf01.jpg

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#14 2015-01-11 17:57:33

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

update:
Only problem (but i can live with it…) is that two GBs on the cf card are unusable. The original drive was 6 Gb , and the Cf is 8 Gb. the empty remaining space can't be formated or merged with the HFS volume. I tried with Disk Utility from 10.5 PPC and on 10.8, but it doesn't want to. Says the disk is too small for a part to be added… Even though it sees the empty space on the cf. Strange.

diskUtil.jpg

Anyway done that the other Wallstreet running Rhapsody/OS9 today , this time cloning a 8 Gb drive to a 8 Gb cf, work beautifully.

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#15 2015-01-26 06:29:37

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Got the Kryoflux board just while ago along with 5.25 and 3.5 drives. Anyone using that? Seems that it's not ideal for Macintosh 400k/800k or Apple ][ floppies.

Anyone using, if so, what settings you use?

Another interesting product out there would be.. http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP
anyone have this?

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#16 2015-01-26 21:54:05

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

Not sure on that one, though the nature of how it acquires data suggests that it may be possible.


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#17 2015-01-30 11:46:28

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Re: Software backup/Imaging suggestions?

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