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#26 2015-01-19 10:34:39

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

So tonight I did attempt 2 at JB Welding the screw bosses. This better work.

Does anyone actually know if the plastic MacBooks use the EMI shielding for grounding? If not, and if this doesn't work, that shit is coming out. I don't care how many radio transmissions I interfere with, or how many alien lifeforms I signal with designs of our farm animals, its coming out and thats final.

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#27 2015-01-19 11:07:09

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

I think I've just figured something out.

Another thing I've noticed is that when I pulled on the JB Weld, the EFI shield (naturally) flexed. Given that the MacBook likely uses it for grounding I'd prefer to leave it in rather than remove it...however I'm wondering if maybe I should take it out, and put some JB weld underneath it in order to anchor it better and give it more strength around the heatsink area.


I'd be attempting to tack the bosses directly to the polycarbonate, even if it meant cutting into the EM shield where the bosses would normally come through. seems like it would be a more porous material that would allow the epoxy to bite in more securely.

I'm not sure what effect the EMI shield has on grounding, however.


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#28 2015-02-16 20:37:37

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

I just want to say, this is awesome! I did it to my White MacBook, but I just bought the Early 2009 Logic Board and Early 2009 Heatsink and modded the case as said in the first post. I don't need the ODD right now, so I left it there not connected. I will buy the cable soon. I have had 0 issues with locking up/freezing. I did proper thermal paste and this system sits at 45C Idle and peaks at 71C under load. Never had any issues even though I've modded the screw bosses. Sounds like a bad CPU though. In a previous logic board that was in this MacBook had a dead CPU and did the same thing. Freezing up every so long. Needs to be power cycled, etc. I would run Apple Hardware test.

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#29 2015-02-17 02:04:25

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Firstly, welcome, and thanks for the feedback. Since re-JB Welding the screw bosses I haven't had any more issues but at the same time - running AHT might not be a bad idea. That was about a month ago, so touch wood its fine now. Good to hear that you haven't had any issues with your machine.

if you do decide to install a SuperDrive in yours, remember that the 2009 models use SATA - you'll need to buy a SATA SuperDrive.

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#30 2015-02-26 01:41:08

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

So the MacBook's playing up again. I'm convinced that this logic board is FUBAR. So I bought myself a full, complete donor machine: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/191517853959 … EBIDX%3AIT

The panel is screwed, but the logic board itself, and the rest of the machine seems to be fine. And I have no shortage of spare good MacBook LCDs that I can chuck on it to test for the first couple of weeks. And after I transfer this machine's board into the Blackbook I can chuck my existing board into this and see how it goes.

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#31 2015-03-02 01:55:34

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Bit more news - just for shits and giggles I let it run ASD overnight. It froze up nicely on the first round of CPU tests - during the MPEG2 test to be exact.

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#32 2015-03-06 03:51:46

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

Firstly, welcome, and thanks for the feedback. Since re-JB Welding the screw bosses I haven't had any more issues but at the same time - running AHT might not be a bad idea. That was about a month ago, so touch wood its fine now. Good to hear that you haven't had any issues with your machine.

if you do decide to install a SuperDrive in yours, remember that the 2009 models use SATA - you'll need to buy a SATA SuperDrive.

I am a computer hobbyist, so I happen to have a MacBook SATA SuperDrive already. It is in there, just not connected. And yes, my machine still works fine! The freezing happened to me on the old board. Found out it was a dying CPU under Apples terrible thermal paste, overheating till it cooked. I was gonna just get another 2008 board, but then I found this thread on my PowerBook!

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#33 2015-03-06 03:53:49

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

So tonight I did attempt 2 at JB Welding the screw bosses. This better work.

Does anyone actually know if the plastic MacBooks use the EMI shielding for grounding? If not, and if this doesn't work, that shit is coming out. I don't care how many radio transmissions I interfere with, or how many alien lifeforms I signal with designs of our farm animals, its coming out and thats final.

I reinstalled mine with the EMI shielding and grounding stuff in mine, sure it was tough as shit, but at the end, it fit back together! Cheers! cool

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#34 2015-03-07 20:33:59

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

Currently posting from my iPad. As of this morning, even on a level surface the MacBook shuts down.

Its funny how for the first two weeks, even when I was using it say, on my lap, it was completely solid, then it froze once, and slowly started getting more and more unreliable. I have to go to work now, but when after I finish I'll investigate. Given that its now doing it on a completely level surface, even without me touching the damn thing my guess is that either something's loose, or I've damaged the logic board. Awesome.

LCGuy: You did clean the logic board and heatsink with Artic Clean or 99% Alcohol right? And then reapply therma paste correctly? A small rice sized bit on each die? No spreading? If not, it may be shutting down to protect itself from overheating. Try to install SMCFanControl (Google it) and monitor the temps.

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#35 2015-03-07 23:14:27

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Indeed I did. Sitting idle, on a hard surface it would hover at around 45 - 55 degrees, and even then it would still lock up.

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#36 2015-03-08 01:32:29

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Hmm strange, mine idles at 45-55 as well. I would guess the CPU or chipset/GPU has issues. or I saw that your OS SSD was in the ODD drive. Try connecting the SSD to the HDD area and the HDD in the Data Doubler. I know that the EFI firmware on the 2009 is very weird (bootcamp stuck at white screen for ages before booting Windows, or OSX sometimes) it might not like loading the OS from the SSD. I also ended up updating my EFI firmware as it was not the latest version, as my Early 2009 board was brand new,

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#37 2015-05-05 05:10:07

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Hey, congrats on the swap!

I did a similar swap earlier (written up in an iFixit post), but mostly using another Mid2009 MacBook as an organ transplant donor, so selling the donor paid for the transplant. big_smile

I am quite curious about the freezing and rebooting, as I haven't seen that in any of the MacBooks that I've used, and my temps are also usually in the 45-55 C range.

Now that you are likely an expert on MacBook disassembly, might I recommend one more project for your MacBook? cool

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#38 2015-05-05 08:24:12

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Hey, good to see you smile I think the freezing may have had to do with a faulty logic board - I've now installed a new logic board and the machine has been completely stable for just on a month.

As for the multi-touch trackpad....tempting....very tempting, sadly though a silver trackpad would stick out like a sore thumb on my Blackbook sad

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#39 2015-05-07 05:21:56

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

...As for the multi-touch trackpad....tempting....very tempting, sadly though a silver trackpad would stick out like a sore thumb on my Blackbook sad

True, it does stick out, but it's not so bad (source). The silver doesn't seem to show the glossy of years of finger oils as much as the black trackpad did. Maybe I just have crazy oily fingers. Of course, the main benefit for me is really the multi-touch gestures for quick window switching. Once you get used to it on a newer mac, it's really hard not to have them on an older mac.

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#40 2016-01-19 17:43:27

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

I bought a mid-2007 black book from a friend, I know that I'm not recommended to try, but I really want to. I'm thinking about just swapping the bottom case from a 2008 black MB into this mid 2007. I think the LCDs are compatible, and I know the top cases are. The ports are in the same layout.  When I get it, I'm swapping an early 2008 board into it, just to see the differences. Depending on the differences between the mid-2007 and the early-2008 board, I'll slowly order the required parts. Eventually, I'll get a backlight keyboard smile

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#41 2016-01-19 20:48:25

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Physically there's no difference between the late 2007 and early 2008 boards - while I can't imagine there being much of an improvement, an early 2008 board should just drop right in with no mods required.

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#42 2016-01-21 02:29:36

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

Physically there's no difference between the late 2007 and early 2008 boards - while I can't imagine there being much of an improvement, an early 2008 board should just drop right in with no mods required.

Yeah. I'm getting a mid 2007.
So far, the parts I've confirmed to work across models are:

* Topcase
* LCD
* Screen housing
* Sleep lights and IR sensor.

The only parts I'd need to change (from the 2007 to 2008) is the bottom pan.

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#43 2016-01-22 20:36:53

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Ok, I have the mid-2007 BlackBook. I have an early 2009 thats really beat up coming from a friend. Lastly, I have the Santa Rosa early-08 pan coming from PBM too. Another friend, who's combining a broken early-06 machine with a mid-09 machine to create a working mid-09 said the only differences between the two are: the backlight CABLE (not the backlight) and the bottom pan. Even between the early 08 and the early 09, we have to modify the pan for the extra heatsink, but if we used a mid 2007 pan, we wouldn't have any usable mounts. When all of the parts arrive, I'll post back. Who knows, this might be the first mid-2007 to 09 swap smile

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#44 2016-01-22 22:31:12

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

You'd have to also change the speakers, the fan, and a few other parts, as Late 2007 onwards use the JST connectors to plug into the logic board, rather than the connectors that the older MacBooks use.

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#45 2016-01-25 03:26:27

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

You'd have to also change the speakers, the fan, and a few other parts, as Late 2007 onwards use the JST connectors to plug into the logic board, rather than the connectors that the older MacBooks use.

Ok, thanks for the input. I have a whole, working donor machine with a busted up case coming in.
I'll end up using:

* Inverter + cable (the black book's just went out, and the 2008 models switched to a smaller cable)

* Speakers

* Fan

* Bottom case (from an early 2008 Black MacBook)

* Logic board (well, duh)

* Heatsink (also a given, since the changed position of the GPU and CPU)

* RAM

* Bluetooth Cable




Notes/optional:

* Some people say the ODD cable differs between the 2008 and 2009 models.

* The trackpad cable may need to be changed too





I'll update the list in a (hopefully) final post with a successful boot and assembly

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#46 2016-01-25 04:42:26

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Some early MacBooks use a different cable for the top case - my mid 2007 has the same cable as my later MacBooks. Optical drives and cables in the early/mid 2009 is definitely different to the older models - the older models used ATAPI drives, early 2009 onwards use SATA

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#47 2016-01-28 16:31:31

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

LCGuy wrote:

Some early MacBooks use a different cable for the top case - my mid 2007 has the same cable as my later MacBooks. Optical drives and cables in the early/mid 2009 is definitely different to the older models - the older models used ATAPI drives, early 2009 onwards use SATA

The top case should be fine, I did an early 06 top case on a early 08, worked fine. I'm not concerned.

EDIT: I have the bottom case in hand. I'm really excited for the arrival of the final parts tomorrow.
$4 from PBM for a 'grade b' bottom case. Doesn't really matter, since we are breaking tabs and whatnot off it.

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#48 2016-05-25 08:39:39

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

Just an update - the BlackBook has been off the road for a little while. It started playing up over Christmas, and I ended up having to rebuild a Lenovo ThinkCentre with a dead PSU into a beige ATX case in order to have access to a decent PC while up visiting my parents. When I came back home I managed to get it going again, but it was deskbound for a couple of months until it started locking up and powering down again. After which it sat for a few weeks. On the weekend I opened it up and I believe I've found the problem.

I believe that the problem that has been plauging me this whole time has been the HDD cable, which is slightly torn, and I suspect is shorting. With the HDD cable removed (the SSD is in the optical bay with a Data Doubler) the machine boots and runs perfectly. I used it on my lap for a couple of hours last night, and took it on its first outing today, and its performed flawlessly.

Only took me 18 months to figure that one out. smile

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#49 2016-05-25 18:16:35

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@LCGuy
Glad you got it sorted! These MacBooks make great machines!!! I can confirm El Capitan works great as well! (But I went back to Mavericks)

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#50 2016-06-21 03:43:29

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Re: HOWTO: Bring your 2007/2008 BlackBook into the Mavericks/Yosemite age

And now we try to get Sierra on these, sadly the 4.1's WiFi is not supported at this time, however, the MacBook5.2 cards appear to work. Dangit!

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac … d.1977128/

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