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#1 2014-10-21 22:56:40

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El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

All right, el Tigre would actually  be Jaguar, but it sounds better and who's counting revs? At long last I have a place to begin with two project machines, so I'm curious about convolutions in the upgrade path to 10.4.11?

The 12" AlBook already has 10.4.11 up and running, but no Faux9 install, so I'm curious about what needs to be done there. It's probably easiest to start fresh with a newer/faster HDD than to dick around trying to get OS9 set up for fakery, no?

The MDD'03/Native9/SE boots from the DVD, just gotta set up a target disk of some kind for the installation. Easiest for me is to shove in the UltraSCSI card and install a couple of 3.5" server drives that are a lot more current than 2003. smile


What kind of shenanigans are required to get to from 10.4.3 to 10.4.11 in the least number of upgrade steps and where do I find the images needed to do so?




<  .  .  .  feels much more comfortable being a clueless noob around these parts as opposed to elsewhere.  roll  >


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#2 2014-10-22 00:52:48

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

10.4.11 combo update from software update.  Just did that on an iBook G4.

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#3 2014-10-22 01:02:37

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

Is that from the deepest darkest depths of Apple's "support" labyrinth?   yikes   Linkage?  wink

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#4 2014-10-22 02:50:04

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

It should just come up in Software Update, which still supports 10.4, at least on Apple's end.


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#5 2014-10-22 03:22:11

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

Egads! Does that mean I have to get the beast online to do a live update? yikes

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#6 2014-10-22 04:13:44

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

I just plugged mine into my airport with a Ethernet cable.  Or you can download the combo update from Apple.  There are two pages that come up in Google or yahoo search.  So 50/50 chance of getting One to download.

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#7 2014-10-22 04:39:09

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

I think I found it: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL173  neutral


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#8 2014-10-22 04:43:21

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

I think the combined update is much larger than 61mb...

You still depending on Cellular Internet? That download is going to kill the cap for sure, if I recall it was something like 600mb at the smallest.

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#9 2014-10-22 05:01:29

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

If you can find a link for the combo update it would be much appreciated. I'm at only 12.5/21GB with two days remaining to use the balance before losing it in the billing cycle rollover.

I was gonna start watching YouBoobTube HowTos and couldn't manage to bring myself to do it  .  .  .  roll

.  .  .  apparently I need to reduce my cap by about half.


edit: just checked, it ain't it, 10.4.10 required. The search continues.


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#10 2014-10-22 05:10:05

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

Found it? http://support.apple.com/kb/DL170 180.8MB: requires 10.4 and up.

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#11 2014-10-22 06:06:39

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

That would be the one.

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#12 2014-10-22 15:14:57

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

Its smaller than I remembered it being. Time does that.

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#13 2014-10-22 16:50:47

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

You're just not used to updates being under umpteen billion gigabytes anymore. tongue


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#14 2014-10-22 17:23:34

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

jt wrote:

The 12" AlBook already has 10.4.11 up and running, but no Faux9 install, so I'm curious about what needs to be done there. It's probably easiest to start fresh with a newer/faster HDD than to dick around trying to get OS9 set up for fakery, no?

By any chance do you have the restore disks? OS 9 is an optional after-the-fact thing you do off the restore disk.

(Secret tip: If you don't have the *exact* restore disk for your machine but can find one from a similar vintage box, like another Al PowerBook, you can use the OS 9 image off of it even though the installer will tell you to get bent. There's a .dmg file hidden on the disk; find it, open it, and drag the System folder onto your hard disk. Easy Peasy.)

The other thing you could do if you have a fully up-to-date OS 9 on something else with a firewire port is put that other thing into Target Disk Mode, plug it into your Al, and drag the system folder over from it.


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#15 2014-10-22 17:50:02

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

That sounds like a plan, I'm pretty sure there's a Faux9 install on the Pismo's original 10.4.11 HDD. Right now I've got the 9.2.2 HDD from the PDQuicker (either it's overclocked or About this Mac is on crack) in there. Might it be as easy as dragging that System Folder over?

I can probably just plonk the Pismp' HDD into the USB2/FW Box, lotsa avenues available it seems.

THX EudiG! smile

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#16 2014-10-22 17:51:59

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

You can also get that OS9 net tools image (maybe another name, memory has gone downhill fast) that was a barebones OS9 install hidden in an archive. I will try looking for the link.
EDIT: if someone finds it, I wouldn't mind burning it and mailing it to ya, jt.

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#17 2014-10-22 19:16:13

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

Do you mean this?

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1192

Huh. I wonder if that *would* work as a "Classic" install. It doesn't say specifically what version of nine it is.


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#18 2014-10-22 21:17:03

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

That's the one! Thanks. I'll download it and give it a test (with panther, hope that doesn't matter it's whats sitting next to me at the moment.)

EDIT: It's not good to go as just that DMG file, takes a little fiddling but it's a 9.2.2 install ready to go for classic. Working good from my 10.3.9 running G3 B&W. Completely independent from my other 9.2.2 install or my 8.6 install.
http://i.imgur.com/aNPtw1b.gif

How to in next post.

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#19 2014-10-22 22:00:20

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

I was going to write a guide but this guy nailed it

This post is about an alternative (free) source for Mac OS 9.2.2, and how to install it.
Finding a Mac OS 9 installation disc is becoming more and more difficult (and probably expensive), and it is often confusing what version/type is appropriate for a particular Mac model.  To make matters worse, Apple's downloads for the Mac OS 9 updaters are currently not working, so even if a Mac OS 9 installation is performed (from an installation disc), there is no readily available way to get it updated to the latest 9.2.2.

I read about a way, but never tried it before.  I confirmed that it does work, so I am sharing what I learned (with more detail than I found elsewhere).  Before going on, here are some limitations of this method.

+  You need a Mac that already has some version of Mac OS X installed, to use this procedure.  It does not work on a Mac with no OS (or an earlier OS), unless you have another Mac that runs Mac OS X.

+  If you need a version of Mac OS 9 that is earlier than 9.2.2 (such as 9.1), this procedure does not help.

+  The download from Apple (linked below) is obviously not intended to be used in this way.

(BEFORE using a procedure that installs a new system, be sure to BACK UP any valuable data on the Mac's hard drive.)

Apple has a download called "NetBoot for Mac OS 9."  It is available here

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1192

This download contains a System Folder for Mac OS 9.2.2.  The download is called NetBoot9.dmg.  Ideally, you should download it to the Mac that will use the 9.2.2 System Folder, but you can use another Mac that runs Mac OS X.  I used a Mac running Mac OS X 10.4.11 (Tiger); it is a "Pismo" PowerBook (with G4 upgrade).

Mount the NetBoot9.dmg disk image.  The disk image has four "languages" folders inside.  I used the English folder; I assume the procedure would also work for German, French, or Japanese, but I did not try the others.  Inside the English folder, there is a file called NetBoot.pkg.

Right (Control) click on NetBoot.pkg, and select Show Package Contents (from the contextual menu).  A Finder window opens.  Go into the folder called Contents, and then into Resources.  Find the file called NetBoot.pax.gz and drag it to the Desktop (or any other location).  This is an archive file.

Double-click NetBoot.pax.gz to have Archive Utility extract a folder called NetBootInstallation.  When double-clicking the NetBootInstallation folder, you may get an error message about "access privileges."  Right (Control) click on the folder and select Get Info.  In the Info window, toward the bottom where it says Ownership & Permissions, set it to (You can) Read & Write.  Now, open the NetBootInstallation folder.

Find the file called NetBoot HD.img and double-click it to mount this disk image.  Inside the disk image, there is a System Folder, and also a folder with the "pre-installed" Mac OS 9 apps.  This System Folder is 9.2.2, and it seems to contain all the components needed for any Mac that can officially boot Mac OS 9.2.2, or run it as Classic under Mac OS X.

Drag this System Folder to the Mac's hard drive.  The standard location is at the top (root) level, but you can actually place it anywhere.  If you want the included Mac OS 9 apps, also copy the Applications (Mac OS 9) folder.

At this point, you can run System Preferences and go to the Classic pane, then select that System Folder for Classic.  Click the Start button to run Classic.  After a few messages about updates, Classic startup completes, and you can run Mac OS 9 apps.

NOTE:  You can use another Mac to download and extract the System Folder, then copy it to the Mac that will use it.  If that other Mac runs a recent version of Mac OS X (such as Lion), you may get an error message when mounting a "legacy" disk image file that says it needs to be "converted."  Run Disk Utility.  Drag the disk image file to the Disk Utility sidebar, where it then appears.  Right (Control) click on it and select the Convert command.  A new disk image file is saved that can be mounted.

OPTIONAL:  While running any Mac OS 9 app with Classic, go to the Apple Menu and select Control Panels, then Extensions Manager.  You can disable (many) extensions, control panels, and other items that you do not need when using a Mac OS 9 System Folder for Classic, because Mac OS X is handling most of the support functions.  Doing so can make Classic run more efficiently and reliably.

(If you only need to use the 9.2.2 System Folder for Classic, there is no need to read the rest of the procedure.)

DIRECT BOOT:  If you want to use this 9.2.2 System Folder to start up directly into Mac OS 9 (on a Mac that supports booting Mac OS 9), there are a few more steps.

The first step is to select that System Folder in System Preferences Startup Disk pane, then restart the Mac. The Mac OS 9 startup should proceed normally, until a dialog box appears asking you to select a NetBoot server.  Since there is no such server available, select Cancel.  The next dialog seems to say that you cannot use this Mac without selecting a NetBoot server, but you can (click OK).  The next dialog asks for Name and Password...

In the description (on web page) for the "NetBoot for Mac OS 9" download, it says, "The default user name is NBUser with the password netboot."

That is what you need to enter as Name and Password.  This gets you to the Desktop, and the Mac should be fully functional.  However, those NetBoot dialog boxes reappear every time you start up using this System Folder.  To stop the dialogs from appearing, I did the follow (there may be some other better way).

From the Apple Menu, select Control Panels, and then Multiple Users.  There should be two users.  One is NBUser, which is that default user.  The other is "owner," which may have your name or it may just be called "Admin."  Select the owner, and Open it.  Make the User Name your name (if it is not already) and enter a new password.

Back on the list of users, select NBUser and Delete this user (so only the owner is listed).  Restart the Mac.  You still get the same NetBoot dialogs during startup, but enter YOUR Name and Password this time.  When you get to the Desktop, from the Apple Menu, select Control Panels, and then Extensions Manager.  Uncheck the TWO items for Multiple Users; one is under Control Panels and the other is under Extensions.  Restart.

This will disable the multi-user functionality, but that should be fine for most Mac OS 9 users.  Mac OS 9 is not a true multi-user OS, like Mac OS X.  It is a single-user OS at its roots.  Like most users, I always had multi-user disabled.  When you start up now, those NetBoot dialog boxes no longer appear, and you should go straight to the Desktop.

There are probably many other items in this System Folder that can be disabled, because they do not apply to your particular Mac model (and this System Folder has "everything").  You can use Extensions Manager to better "optimize" your 9.2.2 System Folder.  If you intend to use Mac OS 9 for both Classic AND direct booting, you can have two separate copies of the System Folder.  The one used for direct booting should probably be at the top (root) level of the hard drive volume and be named "System Folder" (although not required).  The one used for Classic can be placed just about anywhere.  I have mine on a Compact Flash card that is in the Cardbus (PCMCIA) slot, and it is named "System Folder (Classic)."  You can then optimize each System Folder for its function.

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#20 2014-10-23 00:37:54

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Re: El Tigre en casa! =8-D Tiger 10.4.3 Retail Box arrived, now what?

Nice! I'm at work and started the download tethered to my 'Droid, it should finish in less than an hour, so I can play with it after work.

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