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#26 2014-09-20 18:58:08

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Re: Achievement unlocked: Workgroup Server 9150

Interesting. Thanks, corrected.

I got my MkLinux DR2 CD out and if I can find a second SCSI drive to install it on, I think I have a new project. smile

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#27 2014-09-21 21:42:43

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Re: Achievement unlocked: Workgroup Server 9150

I found a 1GB drive in my stock closet and decided to embark on the project. The CD-ROM was busted, so I got a 600i out also and replaced that, and for good measure rerouted the audio and power cables for the tape and CD-ROM through the back opening where the cable connects between the keyswitch and the logic board. The previous owner had the SCSI IDs all messed up, so I moved the tape and CD-ROM to 5 and 6, made the first two drives 0 and 1, and then I have 2-4 if I decide to put more hard disks in.

TIL during the MkLinux installation:

- MkLinux didn't like the 8*24 NuBus video card. In fact, it consistently kernel panicked with it, so I had to use the built-in video. I would imagine an HPV card would work, but the only HPV card I remembered having was in my SR-7100 and I didn't feel like dismantling that. (Ironically after I moved the WGS into the server room I found another HPV card, sitting on top of the 6100. Something for another day.)
- The installer will merrily let you install packages you don't have space for and will install them until it runs out of space, and might not stop even then.

I was impressed that X did not require configuration: it "just worked," admittedly at the limited resolutions Ariel video provides. I didn't like the use of the PC VGA font, though.

TIL while trying to use MkLinux:

- GNOME Desktop sucks.
- Sawfish sucks. It sucks worse here not just because of the glacially slow 601, but the build seemed incomplete (no, I didn't run out of space) -- titlebars weren't appearing, things like that. I eventually switched to AfterStep by disabling gdm and hardcoding an "exec /usr/X11R6/bin/afterstep" into ~/.xinitrc. It sucked less and didn't take several years to start.
- Mozilla sucks on a 601 in Linux. It took almost two minutes to start Mozilla 1.2.1.
- Option-2 and Option-3 simulate middle and right clicks on a single-button ADB mouse. (Don't click at the same time, just press the keys.)
- Control-Opt-Reset kills the X server (NOT Cmd!).
- MkLinux sucks. Well, in fairness, it's old, it wasn't finished, and this hardware is really old, so I can't say the freezes I occasionally got were always MkLinux's fault (though I haven't had a problem using it in MacOS). Waiting for fsck on a slow SCSI drive on a 601 is not fun. In text mode it seemed to work reasonably well, so it might do nicely as a server, which admittedly that's what the 9150 is!

I put screenshots up, including a little holdover from MkLinux that made it into OS X.

http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/9150/

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#28 2014-09-22 18:52:34

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Re: Achievement unlocked: Workgroup Server 9150

Way back when (1999?) I helped a friend get MkLinux actually "working" on his 6100/60; he'd installed it on a Jaz disk and wanted to use it but he needed dialup internet and couldn't get it working with his modem. (The problem there turned out to be he had one of those GeoPort "MacWinModems" so I gave him an old 28.8 external and copied some PPP scripts over from my Slackware laptop because the ones that shipped with MkLinux were super-broken.) I remember it being... strangely sluggish compared to Slackware on my 486DX4 but otherwise not particularly horrible.


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#29 2014-09-22 20:30:16

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Re: Achievement unlocked: Workgroup Server 9150

Did he run X on it, also? How much memory was in it?

I'm sure MkLinux is nicer on hardware of more recent vintage, as is everything.

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#30 2014-09-22 21:16:46

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Re: Achievement unlocked: Workgroup Server 9150

It ran X, which granted wasn't the most fun ever at, what was the best those things could do with their motherboard video, 832x624x8? and I think it had 72Mb of RAM. (By comparison the 486 laptop I leveraged to get the thing actually working had a whopping 20MB of RAM and a 640x480x8 (800x600-virtual) screen also running X, so... yeah. Different era I guess.) Really I don't remember there being much remarkable about it; from a user standpoint it was basically an early (4.x-ish?) version of RedHat. I did manage to compile a few things on it but it was prone to throwing the occasional "Huh, why did you do that?" segmentation fault.


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#31 2014-09-23 04:50:34

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Re: Achievement unlocked: Workgroup Server 9150

Yep, 832x624x8, but the shifting colour maps drove me up the wall in Mozilla, so I went to 16-bit, but that limited me to 640x480. I really should try that HPV card sometime and see how much better it gets. I need to find it some RAM, though.

I find MkLinux more interesting for what it is than what it does, but I guess that applies to classic computing in general, doesn't it? smile

I'd have to say I'd rather use MkLinux than Rhapsody. Rhapsody was much more stable but MkLinux seems to "do more" and has better expansion potential.

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#32 2016-06-23 23:22:37

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Re: Achievement unlocked: Workgroup Server 9150

I never got the hate on NetWare. I have dealt with it (set up eDirectory servers, OES, GroupWise, etc.) and never thought it was too complex. It was reliable and really was awesome at the time.

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