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#51 2015-04-24 15:50:31

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

IIfx's are awesome.  If you put the 8MB ROM SIMM in, they boot from ROM superfast.  You might also check this out.

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#52 2015-04-24 16:35:59

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

IIfx...fancy! Hope it has enough RAM for your liking smile

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#53 2015-04-30 00:53:27

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Washerman's just a liitle bit like Keyser Soze big_smile

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#54 2015-04-30 15:23:11

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

MJ313 wrote:

Washerman's just a liitle bit like Keyser Soze big_smile

You made me LOL!! I watched TUS the other night, and have it on VHS too tongue 

Wish I could post more, get halfway through a message and my 1 y.o needs something...  Or the wife needs placating with food... Or there is washing to be done...  Or I have to shuffle my Thinkpads to get to the Macs haha right now it's 1am and I'm on my mobile taking a break before the little one needs her bottle.

Haven't done much with the fx yet, just basking in the warmth of ownership smile only 8MB RAM, would System 7 go well with more? The only thing I did was try to run Wolf 3D and that was choppy. Going to stick a few cards and a hard disk in it soon, hope the PSU is up to the challenge!

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#55 2015-04-30 18:43:28

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

He's back!

Washerman wrote:

get halfway through a message and my 1 y.o needs something...

Oh I hear ya, I know how that is hahaha, I'm into Round 2 with that smile

Makes me think of that BNL Who Needs Sleep song! I'm up to 3 cups of joe a day, which mightn't be much for some folks, but well, I never dreamed I'd be there myself smile

That IIfx RAM... I'd guess it would depend on what you were trying to run on it. I think Wolf is pretty low in requirements, so that's probably more on the vid card... Is it running vanilla System 7.0? Or some 7.x.x variant?

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#56 2015-04-30 19:14:45

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Washerman wrote:
LCGuy wrote:

I seem to recall you're a fellow Aussie, correct? I didn't even know they sold Starmax's here...awesome.

I am indeed, Sydney-side in fact!

This Starmax came out of a shed collection that had come from a defunct Mac repairer (not sure which one). The guy who had it told me he'd had a few of these, so there may be more floating around. I was also surprised by the PowerCenter - never thought they'd come here either!

Another Aussiesider... I feel less alone than I once did! big_smile

But yes, I too have a PowerCenter 132 clone in my stack with the matching keyboard... Was actually a decently quick machine from what I recall. smile I paid $20 for it at the local tip over 10 years ago. I should actually drag it out at some point and make sure the battery hasnt bitten the dust, because if it has, that would make me considerably sad.

I was under the impression the 4400/7220 were based on a PowerComputing clone architecture, so what are the chances that 7220 bits are perhaps interchangable?


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G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#57 2015-04-30 21:41:09

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

ITYM that the 4400/7220 are based on the Tanzania board, as are other clones. I suspect that would not be the only thing affecting interchangeability, however.

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#58 2015-04-30 23:24:13

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Hmmm true. I might take apart my 132 and one of my 7220's at some point anyway and see how different or similar they are.


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G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#59 2015-05-01 00:00:25

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

I always liked the clones that deviated from Apple's designs a little more, otherwise it was just the same thing as a Mac with someone else's name on it.  The PowerWave 150 being an example that had both nubus and pci slots.  I've always thought that was a neat transition piece.  The Daystars were neat for their multiprocessors.  Or some of the early Starmax's had PS/2 keyboard/mouse, which is a little less exciting, but deviations from the standard Mac feature set were few.

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#60 2015-05-01 04:12:00

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

bbraun wrote:

I always liked the clones that deviated from Apple's designs a little more, otherwise it was just the same thing as a Mac with someone else's name on it.  The PowerWave 150 being an example that had both nubus and pci slots.  I've always thought that was a neat transition piece.  The Daystars were neat for their multiprocessors.  Or some of the early Starmax's had PS/2 keyboard/mouse, which is a little less exciting, but deviations from the standard Mac feature set were few.

Boy, I'd like to look at the OpenFirmware device tree for that. Was there a PCI-NuBus bridge device? I can't imagine it working the other way around (the main system bus being NuBus, and PCI bridged to that).

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#61 2015-05-01 17:19:08

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PCI-Nubus bridge:

0 > ls
FF828F80: /PowerPC,604@0
FF829230:   /l2-cache@0,0
FF8299F0: /chosen@0
FF829B20: /memory@0
FF829C68: /openprom@0
FF829D28: /AAPL,ROM@FFC00000
FF829F40: /options@0
FF82A618: /aliases@0
FF82A858: /packages@0
FF82A8E0:   /deblocker@0,0
FF82B0E0:   /disk-label@0,0
FF82B620:   /obp-tftp@0,0
FF82DA60:   /mac-files@0,0
FF82E258:   /mac-parts@0,0
FF82E9B8:   /aix-boot@0,0
FF82EE30:   /fat-files@0,0
FF830400:   /iso-9660-files@0,0
FF830D48:   /xcoff-loader@0,0
FF831708:   /terminal-emulator@0,0
FF8317A0: /bandit@F2000000
FF832990:   /gc@10
FF832DC8:     /53c94@10000
FF834650:       /sd@0,0
FF835280:       /st@0,0
FF835EF8:     /mace@11000
FF836D70:     /escc@13000
FF836EC8:       /ch-a@13020
FF837578:       /ch-b@13000
FF837C28:     /awacs@14000
FF837D10:     /swim3@15000
FF838E18:     /via-cuda@16000
FF8399A8:       /adb@0,0
FF839A98:         /keyboard@0,0
FF83A1E8:         /mouse@1,0
FF83A298:       /pram@0,0
FF83A348:       /rtc@0,0
FF83A810:       /power-mgt@0,0
FF83A930:     /mesh@18000
FF83C498:       /sd@0,0
FF83D0C8:       /st@0,0
FF83DDD0:     /nvram@1D000
FF83E980:   /pci106b,1@B
FF83EB58:   /ATY,XCLAIM@D
FF847768:   /Seri-Tek1S2@E
FF84D258:     /sd@0,0
FF86C230:   /PCItoNuBus@F
FF83DFD0: /hammerhead@F8000000

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#62 2015-05-01 17:21:34

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Too bad it's not NuBus to PCI, there'd be some potential there.

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#63 2015-05-01 23:53:29

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@bbraun: aha, there it is! Any interesting words?

@Falcon: no, it would be much harder the other direction. Part of it is how Apple implemented PCI -- using OpenFirmware as a device enumerator, which never knew how to speak NuBus, and none of the clone manufacturers would have wanted to implement this for a legacy technology -- but the big reason is because NuBus just doesn't have the bandwidth. Bus speed alone would have crippled this idea: the fastest NuBus ever got was 20MHz, while the slowest PCI cards are 33MHz minimum.

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#64 2015-05-01 23:59:11

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Nah, doesn't seem to be too interesting:

0 > dev /bandit@F2000000/PCItoNuBus@F  ok
0 > words
mem-space-baseadr2              mem-space-baseadr1              mem-space-baseadr0
keeromsize      knvramsize

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#65 2015-05-02 05:12:33

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Interesting. I guess the ROM must know how to drive it.

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#66 2015-10-20 14:14:51

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So it's been a while since I updated my collection ... have added some bits and pieces, should do a proper update once some work is out of the way.

Lately spent a little time with my PowerCenter 120, which I realised has a PowerCurve motherboard fitted ... strange beast. Anyway, it had a 604e/225 CPU instead of the standard CPU. After spending a bit of time trying to get it to boot, had almost given up when I took out the cache card and it sprang to life! Not sure if the cache is faulty or if someone put it back into the machine before it came to me, as it was supposed to be working.

So, a Sonnet G3 card was fished out, and installed.

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It worked fine without needing Sonnet extensions, and showed 445MHz. Installing the Sonnet extension reduced that to 400Mhz. No great loss I suppose, probably a conservative measure relating to bus speed? It didn't seem any more responsive with the G3 in than with the 604e card though. Here's the Profile before the Sonnet extension was loaded:

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One thing to fix up is the power LED connector, which fell apart during cleaning and now needs to be recrimped. The floppy drive seems to crash the computer so it's on the replace list, and the CD-ROM drive is a bit old and noisy (300i), so it may get changed for a Nakamichi 5-disc instead. 

It was cheap to fit more VRAM, so in no time it was bumped up to 4MB from the standard 1MB - now it's set to 1152x720.
512MB RAM is also fairly cheap, so that's next on the list. Not sure whether to go the whole hog with PCI SATA, per http://lowendmac.com/thompson/06/1117.html - plus a Voodoo 2 still to come. Kind of wishing for more PCI slots! Also, anyone with one of these Power Computing clones - does yours have a "VGA enable" jumper, and if so, any idea on what it does? My VGA port works fine with it jumpered or open, so maybe it just fixes the resolution at 640x480 on that port? Didn't test it, and none of the Power Computing manuals seem to mention it, but thought someone may already know ... wink

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#67 2015-10-20 15:11:09

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

System Profiler can be notoriously wrong when it comes to CPU speed on upgrade cards. Only trust Metronome, since it's an actual benchmark.

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#68 2015-10-20 15:21:54

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

I have to ask, what are your plans for the destitute 604e/225 card mate?... if there arent any, I probably can find it a safe home in my PC132! big_smile


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G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#69 2015-10-21 00:17:36

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Schmoburger wrote:

I have to ask, what are your plans for the destitute 604e/225 card mate?... if there arent any, I probably can find it a safe home in my PC132! big_smile

No immediate plan for the 604e, but was half thinking of trying it in the 8550/132 rust bucket (pics on page 1 or 2), but I do have a G4/700 card somewhere, so if it all works out - the 604e is yours! Might take a little while though, it's like The Castle with computers here! (gotta move the Dual-P3 to get to the HP Vectra, so I can move the G4-450 to get to the 8550, etc) wink

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#70 2015-10-21 02:17:56

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Watch the PowerCenter mate wink

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#71 2015-12-05 03:55:21

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So how's the serenity in here? wink

Here's the backlog of machines to be cleaned and parted out, definitely what the Kerrigans' garage would look like!

2zhgql4.jpg

Been busy with work and chores, but have picked up more fallen Apples. Specifically, an 8500/132 and a 7100/66, with some bonus bits (printers, monitor, some ARPLE discs, etc.) Spent some time washing the 7100 ... looks a bit better now, and the big upside is a working PSU that can be used to test, and hopefully restore, the IIci. Have no other real plans for it though. The 8500 is still packed away, for another day.

2ryt3sl.jpg

1g4umc.jpg

After:

302yv78.jpg

fv8dao.jpg (potato phone pic flatters the colour of the front panel, it's an orange beige)

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#72 2015-12-05 18:45:51

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Still, nice restoration job.

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#73 2015-12-05 20:18:28

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

ARPLE?!

Nice collection, though!

c


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Secondary Macs: Early '08 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 15"
Playthings: Mac SE/30, 3.0 GHz Mavericks-based HackServe, Many others....
Desired: Lisa, Kanga PowerBook G3, Apple IIc, Apple II, Spare parts, etc.

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#74 2015-12-14 09:19:25

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Hey, yellowed cases are fine by me! It's like grey hair in your beard... it's distinguished. Much the same as the rust in my truck lol


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G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#75 2016-09-16 15:00:24

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Been a while!

Today I picked up another Apple II clone, a IIe with a Taxan green mono monitor, drives and some software.

Got all of the clones together for a quick jamboree big_smile

vifxnq.jpg

The IIe also came with Zork I and a couple of other bits and pieces

jzjioz.jpg

I also had another quick look inside the Elite I, and pulled out all the bits that the original seller had stuffed into it ...

a0fbtj.jpg

Unfortunately when setting up the "new" IIe I switched the power supply input voltage from 110V to 220V (in accordance with expected Australian voltage), and it beeped once and then wouldn't boot again. It was sold to me as working, so maybe the power supply setting was OK with 240V going into it set at 110V? It did have an external fan/system saver type thing, but that didn't really look like a step down transformer. Just hoping it's only the power supply playing up and not the board. Thankfully there was no smoke.

In the end, the "Maple" II+ clone was working just fine, and I was able to run a couple of things off the copied floppies. In any case it's the machine that reminds me most of my childhood computer, from the "Computer" greeting, to the brown keys and numeric keypad. Now I really wish I'd kept all my old disks, and Epson dual drives sad

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