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#1 2014-09-05 07:18:59

Washerman
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Washerman's Appley items

Current as of 5/9/14:

*Apple II clone - Elite I
*Mac IIx
*Mac IIcx - Sold now; first test run it partly booted, then the magic smoke escaped from the PSU ... 'twas time to say goodbye (29/8/15)
*Mac IIci
*Mac IIsi - Also sold; two dead PSUs means it would cost over $100 to get this machine going - it has gone to a good new home smile (3/11/15)
PowerBook 540c
PowerBook 540c w/603e/100 upgrade
*Motorola Starmax 4000/200 DT - with another collector now (May 2016)
*Power Mac WGS 8550/132
G4 450 AGP
G4 DP 1GHz MDD

My wish list:
IIGS
Mac 128k
Mac IIfx - one off the wish list!! smile
Powerbook 145B - finally procured a crisp example, not sure if working yet though
Pismo G3 500MHz
B&W G3 (any spec) - picked one up in April smile

Pics to follow smile will try to keep this list fresh, as I'm trying to get the asterisked machines up and running.

Added 5 December 2014:
G4 DP 1.42GHz MDD
Power Mac 7220/200
Power Mac 6100/60 (pulverised plastic) - gone to another collector
Multiple Scan 15 Display

Added 6 February 2015:
PowerComputing PowerCenter 120 upgraded to 604e/225 - edit 27 Sept 2015: finally got this one working! turns out it's a Powercenter 120 case, with a Powercurve 120 motherboard, with a 604e 225 CPU card. Just had to replace the PSU with a 250W ATX (making sure it has -5V rail), and pulled the 512k L2 cache, and OS 9.1 appeared! VGA out is working too. Just ordered 3MB VRAM, and next stop is testing out the Sonnet G3 PCI card in it.

Added 25 April 2015:
Mac IIfx 8MB 40MB hard disk - running System 7 perfectly! - upgraded to 20MB RAM, with another 64MB to be swapped in to take it to 80MB total.

Added 31 July 2015:
*Powerbook 540 (heavily corroded motherboard and case)
Power Mac 6100/66 DOS Compatible (broken faceplate)

* indicates that it is not working at this time

On order:
IIfx - another one, this one allegedly has 32MB in it, and unknown extras. Bit dubious that it's a real IIfx, pics of label underneath say IIx .... will report back, but half expecting to report it to eBay as SNAD. - scammed by a lazy eBay seller, but got all my money back after a successful claim.

Added 3 November 2015:
Mac Pro 3.1 8-core 3.0GHz, 2GB RAM, no HDD
*2 x Mac Pro 3.1 shells with motherboards and PSUs for parts

Added 28 November 2015:
Powermac 8500/132 - hoping to put it to use, as well as using the PSU to test WGS8550/132 parts
Currently waiting on a Powermac 6100/66, just want one with an intact case!

Added 12 March 2016:
I briefly had a Pismo G3 500MHz laptop - unfortunately it wouldn't boot when it arrived sad obtained a full refund from the seller
Power Mac G5 Dual Core 2.3GHz - bought with a 20" Cinema Display and keyboard - specs are 2.5GB, 250GB drive, 6600 (I think)
Power Mac G5 Quad Core 2.5GHz - bought on a whim, seller hadn't IDed the machine, so was kind of lucky to find it's a Quad! Doesn't look like it's leaked but I still need to tear down the machine to clean it up - the radiator was a complete fluffy mess!!

Complete list @ 3 July 2016:

* indicates that it is (STILL) not working at this time

*Apple II clone - Elite I
Apple II clone - Maple
Apple II clone - Unknown
*Mac IIx
*Mac IIci
Mac IIfx 80MB RAM 40MB hard disk
PowerComputing PowerCenter 120 upgraded to 604e/225 upgraded to G3/400
PM 6100/66 DOS Compatible (broken faceplate)
PM 6100/66 - bit grubby but intact!!
PM 7100/66
PM 7220/200
*PM WGS 8550/132
PM 8500/132

PM G3 B&W 400 Rev A - plan to use G4 1GHz upgrade in this one

PM G4 450 AGP
*PM G4 450 or 500 MP Gigabit Ethernet
PM Digital Audio (forgot specs)
PM G4 DP 866MHz MDD
PM G4 DP 1GHz MDD
PM G4 DP 1.42GHz MDD

PM G5 DP 2GHz
PM G5 DC 2.3GHz
*PM G5 DP 2.5GHz - picked up for parts only
PM G5 QC 2.5GHz - have Quadro FX4500 to install, presently being disassembled for cleaning

Mac Pro 3.1 8-core 3.0GHz, 2GB RAM, no HDD - have Sonnet SSD Pro to install, planning 2x256GB SSD RAID
*2 x Mac Pro 3.1 shells with motherboards and PSUs for parts

*PowerBook 145B - good physical condition but no charger so unknown if working

PowerBook 540c
PowerBook 540c w/603e/100 upgrade
*Powerbook 540 (heavily corroded motherboard and case)

*Personal Laserwriter 320 (in the process of cleaning up/restoring for use)
StyleWriter 2400
Multiple Scan 15 Display
Apple Color Monitor (looks to be 14", not entirely sure)
External drive 260MB

Last edited by Washerman (2016-07-04 05:05:20)

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#2 2014-09-05 09:40:02

Cosmo
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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Nice collection there! Please do share pictures of the Apple ][ clone if you can. Picture of inside parts as well if possible. Keep up good work smile

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#3 2014-09-05 16:12:49

ClassicHasClass
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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Never heard of the Elite I. Would like to see that as well.

Welcome!

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#4 2014-09-05 16:23:56

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Nice stuff there - including the PPC-powered 540c!

The only Apple II clone I have is worthless. It's a "SYSCOM-II" but the logic board was replaced with a late Apple II+ board so it's really just a case, power supply and keyboard.


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#5 2014-09-05 22:15:36

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Nice collection. Looking forward to seeing pics of the Apple II clone smile

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#6 2014-09-06 09:28:58

Washerman
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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Thanks all! And your respective collections are pretty amazing.

I must confess, the clone is a recent purchase so it's still in transit. My first computer was a IIe clone, called the Datamini I, and I have recently come to regret discarding it sad But comprehensive pics will be loaded once it arrives.

For now here are a couple from the collection:

This is the 540c with 603e - the case was smashed in transit (poor wrapping, and rough handling) - so after the seller refunded I got to keep the parts. And it boots! As you can also see, the right hand battery leaked, and completely ate away some of the terminals on the motherboard.

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IIci and IIcx after a cycle in the dishwasher. Nothing particularly exciting to look at for the moment, but at least the cases are in reasonable condition (except for the tan lines on the IIci). Both seem to have issues with their power supplies, so hoping for easy fixes for them. 

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#7 2014-09-06 17:29:20

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Prolly caps. uniserver has a service if you don't want to DIY.

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#8 2014-09-07 01:38:17

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Ouch, Red screen. Looks like a CCFL replacement is in your future.

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#9 2014-09-07 04:50:46

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

If you were in the US, I'd send you some 540 parts to get that thing back in one piece.


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#10 2014-09-07 07:29:22

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

With respect to the IIcx and IIci power supplies, if it doesn't turn out to be the caps on the board near the power switch, and is actually the power supplies themselves, you can use a power supply from a IIvx series machine (IIvx, IIvi, P600), a Centris or Quadra 650, or a PowerMac 7100.  Slightly higher wattage.  Works fine with a IIci motherboard.

-J


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#11 2014-09-20 05:07:38

Washerman
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Re: Washerman's Appley items

ClassicHasClass wrote:

Prolly caps. uniserver has a service if you don't want to DIY.

I think the IIci will need caps replaced, as there is evidence they've leaked a bit. The IIcx board probably needs recapping too, but it's generally in better shape - although all Bank B memory slots have broken holders. I'll weigh up the cost of sending the board back and forth, but thanks for the heads up smile

techknight wrote:

Ouch, Red screen. Looks like a CCFL replacement is in your future.

Think this came out looking a bit red due to the camera white balance - need to take a better shot in daylight. There are, however, two blue bars on the right hand side, which look like they're caused by damaged hardware - was gutted that our postal system trashed this fine machine.

mcdermd wrote:

If you were in the US, I'd send you some 540 parts to get that thing back in one piece.

A very kind thought, and wish I could take you up on the offer! I did buy a second 540c, so am hoping to get around to installing some of the nice upgrades this "deconstructed' unit has big_smile might even try to build this into some other case ...

volvo242gt wrote:

With respect to the IIcx and IIci power supplies, if it doesn't turn out to be the caps on the board near the power switch, and is actually the power supplies themselves, you can use a power supply from a IIvx series machine (IIvx, IIvi, P600), a Centris or Quadra 650, or a PowerMac 7100.  Slightly higher wattage.  Works fine with a IIci motherboard.

-J

It seems the IIvx is thin on the ground here in Australia - but I will keep an eye out. Most of the Apple PSUs I've come across have given me problems, but fingers crossed my G4s can stay alive for a while yet! Does the IIsi supply match the ci/cx, and if so, does it have enough grunt?

Since my last posting, I've starting moving my vintage gear around the house, and this is a large part of it in one place.

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The Elite I is in the Pioneer box. As I haven't had the chance to really look over it yet, here's some of the seller's pics:

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I didn't get the monitor with it, however.

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#12 2014-09-20 05:32:27

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

The IIsi supply is not the same, and you wouldn't want to use it; it's quite anaemic. Even just a hard disk, the NuBus bracket and a NuBus card can sometimes be too much for a marginal specimen.

I like the Elite. Classy clone.

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#13 2014-09-20 14:19:20

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Nice. I'm not an Apple II guy, but I love clones of every kind. What was the name of the clone manufactured in Argentina(?) back when it was illegal for to import computers there?

I love that monitor, that's the treatment I'm using for the backside of a color ProtoHoaxMac project. That side view of the case looks like a more shallow rendition of the frogdesign/AppleDesign inspiration.

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#14 2014-09-20 14:27:48

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jt: That would be Unitron in Brazil. They also attempted to sell an unauthorised Mac clone, since at the point it was illegal to import computers to Brazil, however Apple quickly shot them down.

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#15 2014-09-20 15:20:42

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Washerman, if your in the USA I could get you parts for the 540c. I have tons of spare parts for 68k powerbooks (3 boxes worth) that I really don't need sitting around.
If I am not mistaken your in Austrailia so that presents a challenge with shipping hmm
PM me if you want more details

Anyways, nice collection. Could you post pics of the Moto Starmax? I have always been interested in the clones, I finally nabbed one some years ago (Raidus 81/110).

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#16 2014-12-05 11:22:40

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

Back again!

Been over two months, and in that time we moved house, but the collection still grows. The parents probably want their garage back ... but the following are currently (or soon will be) residing with me big_smile

Bought a G4 DP 1.42GHz because it was cheap, and fully loaded - 2GB RAM, and 4x 500GB IDE drives. Looking to beef up the Radeon 9000 though - thinking XT800. As I don't actually have an OS X machine, this will be it (for now), and I'll try OS 9 on the 1.0GHz DP. Picked up some Mac games (X-Wing, Wing Commander III) so will see how that goes.

Also won an auction for a fairly cheap 6100/60 - sold as a parts machine, but it could be working. If it doesn't work it could possibly be modded the case to hold the PB 540C innards. So in case I actually end up with a working 6100, my eyes are also peeled for an empty pizza box case.

Finally, picked up a working 7220/200 today - an Australia-only version of the 4400. Specs seem OK, 32MB RAM, 2GB hard disk, 24x CD-ROM, COMM-II Ethernet - but only 1MB VRAM, and no cache. It's in reasonably good shape, just a little yellowed, and with some rust at the back - going to vinegar bath the screws and slot covers. Thankfully the Rayovac battery seems to be in perfect condition. Took some photos tonight as I performed a basic preliminary clean.

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Decided that for $15 I could use its RAM to test the Starmax motherboard, rather than spending a large amount on a MemoryTen order to resurrect a board with corrosion - and I think I prefer the look of the 7220 over the Starmax. IIfx, will still have to post some pics of that one!

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#17 2014-12-05 17:29:03

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Interesting specimen. The 4400/7220 is one of those unloved machines, but they weren't very common and it's nice to see them preserved. They're really not THAT bad as a computers, just not particularly *good*.

On the other hand, every 6200 and 6300 (except the 6360) needs to burn in hell along with the 630 design they came from.

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#18 2014-12-05 18:18:36

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I actually like the 4400/7220 these days.  Spec-wise, the difference between it and other machines of the era is pretty insignificant at this point, and the fact that it's an oddball machine makes me like it all the more.  The PC desktop form factor does make it kind of nice for putting on a shelf, or in a rack, or using it in a stack of other machines.

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#19 2014-12-06 07:03:19

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The 4400 is one of the few machines I don't have. It's like Apple's bid in the clone market.


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#20 2014-12-07 00:38:24

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Thinking of putting a Voodoo II in it - inspired by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUlCkH5v938

Will the 603e be much worse than the 604e in the Starmax?

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#21 2014-12-07 06:29:28

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The 603e has a very weak FPU, and it doesn't have as many execution units as the 604e and only half the L1. Although its simpler design means the 603e can be clocked faster, both your 603e and 604e systems are 200MHz, so for virtually all tasks the Starmax's 604e will be faster (and for FPU-bound tasks it will be substantially faster).

As an aside, the G3 still has the same weak 603 FPU, being essentially a tuned, evolved version of the same microarchitecture. However, integer performance matters for the majority of apps, and the G3 had backside cache and could ramp up quicker, so it almost displaced the 604e immediately except for certain applications. By 1998, Apple had dropped it completely.

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#22 2014-12-07 07:00:01

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

ClassicHasClass wrote:

Interesting specimen. The 4400/7220 is one of those unloved machines, but they weren't very common and it's nice to see them preserved. They're really not THAT bad as a computers, just not particularly *good*.

On the other hand, every 6200 and 6300 (except the 6360) needs to burn in hell along with the 630 design they came from.

Agreed. Its a 603e, and a PCI one at that, so it has some potential. With max RAM and a decent graphics card you could turn one into a somewhat decent machine.

Regarding the 7220 nameplate - it was actually intended for Asian markets, but we ended up getting it as well due to our close proximity to Asia. Reason for it being called the 7220 in this part of the world is because Asian cultures consider 4 to be an unlucky number. Much like how in some buildings in the US there's no 13th floor.

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#23 2014-12-18 09:43:43

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The 6100/60 arrived yesterday - with quite a bit of damage to the plastics sad three of the feet snapped off and the fascia is cracked, which happened in transit. Haven't had much luck with posted/couriered computers, most sellers don't pack them well enough and even the courier's own notice 'handle like eggs' goes unheeded.

On the upside, the motherboard and power supply seem to be ok, though the hard disk sounds sick. Need an HDI45 to VGA cable next. Feeling reasonably lucky to get some working parts from an untested and cheap machine.

Loving the 7220 though - works like a dream, yet to put in the V2 card though.

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#24 2014-12-23 18:17:22

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

So I'm lying in bed and it's 5am, and from the lounge room I can hear that the 7220 has started up by itself! Wonder if there's an issue with the PSU, or maybe it feels unloved.

Have also been thinking about plugging it in to my router but am not sure about what might be on the hard disk - was there ever a Backorifice equivalent for OS8.6?

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#25 2014-12-24 00:59:17

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Re: Washerman's Appley items

No. More likely there's a short in the PSU or possibly the ADB. tongue

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