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#26 2014-08-08 01:10:56

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

I guess alot of the original code they didnt want to recompile?

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#27 2014-08-08 01:20:40

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Presumably for compatibility, but motivation is difficult to infer from a closed process 20yrs ago.

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#28 2014-08-08 03:10:33

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

There's no reason to throw away good toolbox routines I guess.

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#29 2014-08-08 04:27:18

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

They probably didn't want to expend the resources to re implement the toolbox routines in PPC code since the OS was to be retired anyway.

I wonder, how feasible would it be to reverse engineer that toolbox to run natively on something modern? Executor (I believe) attempted this, so while it must not be trivial, it certainly isn't impossible?

c


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#30 2014-08-08 06:21:05

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

bbraun wrote:

Yeah, I think it's a Sonnet, but I think I was trying to run 7.6.1.

I don't think that's specific to Sonnet cards. ISTR that 7.x in general is kind of iffy with anything after a 604. Heck, the beige G3 required 8 from the very beginning.


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#31 2014-08-08 19:05:20

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

ClassicHasClass wrote:

I don't think that's specific to Sonnet cards. ISTR that 7.x in general is kind of iffy with anything after a 604. Heck, the beige G3 required 8 from the very beginning.

For that matter, even my old 7100/80 seemed much happier with 8.1 than System 7.5.x.  But, not as happy as it was under 8.6.

Techknight:  Anyway, congrats on the TAM...

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#32 2014-08-09 17:57:04

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

7.6 was a lot better on Power Macs than 7.5 was (mostly the exception handling), but I agree, 8.x was even more refined.


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#33 2014-08-14 21:33:37

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Stupid FedEx! Why do you always find a way to mess up such pretty machines. At least the break's fairly clean but still URGH! TAM's are so unique and the sound system is just amazing. It's what I use when I'm out in my work area to jam out. I'm happy your happy.

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#34 2014-08-14 22:40:40

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

It could be worse.  Could be UPS.  Then, it would've been a total loss.

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#35 2014-08-14 22:50:17

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

OH MY GOODNESS DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON UPS. About 6 weeks ago I purchased something that was severely broken in transit... DAMN RIGHT. But, oh well it what insurance was for I guess. I submitted the claim only to find out the person who shipped it gets the refund check which seems a bit fishy but it's UPS's policy? The seller messages me hey I got 200 to refund you to which I replied sweet send it along (thinking all was good) BUT I'm also going to need something that documents/verifies that amount i.e. pic of check, etc. Guy goes silent so I become suspicious. I call UPS to find out how much he got... yeah, he got over 500 bucks so he was trying to pocket over 300 (I paid for shipping so it wasn't like he had any right to some/any of that 500). So I file a dispute with PP only to have them tell me it's all or nothing, send everything back for a full refund or take the 200 the guy offered... YEAH RIGHT I'm going to let this guy profit off of something that was damaged of mine. Okay, so I call my CC company and they handle that but I'm still PISSED this dude tried to take my for a ride. Fine, I'll call UPS because this guy committed insurance fraud and on their splash page there's a whole section for reporting fraud and fraudulent activities, etc. UPS literally told me "we don't care the issue is between you and the seller" Oh so that explains why insurance rates are so high, people skim off the top, the shipping company don't care, and everyone just seems to dismiss it... Needless to say, I'm NEVER doing business with UPS again. When a company tells me they don't care about being defrauded your defiantly not getting any of my business. Sorry to highjack the topic but had to rant.

Bad UPS

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#36 2014-08-15 02:19:08

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

I think it's heavily region dependent. I have people who swear by Fedex, but they wrecked the footsies of the spare quad G5 I ordered (which they packed), and would not honour the insurance. I gave up trying to make a claim, it wasn't worth it.


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#37 2014-08-15 02:51:21

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

I think its funny that Americans rant about how terrible UPS is - I've used them quite a bit to ship stuff here from the US, ranging from an iPhone 2G to a 39" 4K TV. I've never had anything get damaged, and stuff always comes fast and right on time. I just wish they did domestic services here, as in my experience they're head and shoulders above most Aussie freight companies (I'm looking at you TNT and Toll, or TOOL as I prefer to call them.....)

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#38 2014-08-15 02:55:05

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I'm sure we all have horror stories but I was just appalled they didn't care about a blatant case of fraud. I've got a message documenting this individual emphatically stating they got 200 when they got over 500, which was rightfully mine, and they entirely dismissed it. UPS made the damage right, but didn't care about the fact I didn't receive it, or the shipper tried to pocket the rest. I've got horror stories about all shipping companies... I guess the UPS comment just stuck a chord neutral

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#39 2014-08-15 08:18:04

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Nah, its all good, I certainly understand you for not being happy with them after what happened...was just saying that I find it amusing, given how dreadful our freight companies are. (such as Toll, who made $30k worth of Cisco gear at work go missing...after calling them every day for a month, they finally found it in one of their Sydney depots, or TNT who were constantly late, and constantly kept losing stuff)

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#40 2014-08-15 17:32:17

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Ouch and yes that is also very awful.

Well, back to the issue at hand, TAM's ARE SWEET!

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#41 2014-08-16 00:26:10

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

I'd like to own one one day...unfortunately they're even rarer and therefore, more expensive here than they are in the US. They were never actually sold here by Apple, from what I understand it is because in order for them to sell the TAM here, Apple would have had to have destroyed a certain number of them for product suitability testing or something along those lines - with only 10,000 units made there was no way they were going to do that. smile According to Wikipedia 10 were sent to Apple Australia back in the day, 2 were given away as prizes (I entered that competition, didn't win of course sad), one was put on display in Apple's Sydney office, and the rest were kept by execs.

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#42 2014-08-16 03:07:33

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Are there any common maintenance issues with TAMs at this point?  CCFL backlight replacement?  LCD caps?

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#43 2014-08-16 06:23:23

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Just that damn buzzing which usually requires cleaning off the oxidation on the umbilical connection.


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#44 2014-08-17 00:48:55

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Well mine isnt doing that. Yet... When it does then I dont know what to do at that point, as apparently the subwoofer is so brittle it would be like taking apart a pretzel with a screwdriver.

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#45 2014-08-17 01:43:39

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

Now I have an irrational hankering for a TAM!

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#46 2014-08-17 20:22:14

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Re: Conquest: Finally a TAM!

It's a fun computer, and it looks sharp. With a G3 it's almost useful, though the RAM ceiling is a big downer.

On my "round tuit" list is to make a boot floppy to get it into a CD player app as quickly as possible, since that is its best feature. Waiting for OS 9 to boot just to play a disc is a bit of a downer.


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