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#51 2014-10-20 11:17:26

LCGuy
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Re: LCGuy's money pit *ahem* collection

I think the only reason mine is still nice is because it had a Blackbook conversion in 2011 - as such the case plastics have only been in use for 3 years, plus the black hides dirt better than the white did. To be honest the original white top case looked pretty ick prior to doing the conversion. However, on the other hand I've never had either top case crack, touch wood. To be honest, I don't blame you for retiring yours in favour of a ThinkPad...but if you have the money one day its definitely worth doing a restoration on yours.

Meanwhile I now have a new Mid 2009 logic board. This is currently where the ScrapBook is at:

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#52 2014-10-21 10:59:52

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Re: LCGuy's money pit *ahem* collection

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Two MacBooks. One complete and my daily driver, yet stuck on Lion. One looking like a theft recovery, yet running Yosemite. Come this weekend the two shall become one...

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#53 2014-10-21 14:41:55

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Re: LCGuy's money pit *ahem* collection

So the 09 motherboard fits the 07 case perfectly? Interesting, I may do that conversion myself. Although, the case is sort of beat up, and the screen has a few hot points. I would rather just put the money into a first model unibody Macbook (the one without the Pro).

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#54 2014-10-21 14:56:11

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That makes me wonder if the aluminum macbook can take the mobo too.


http://markyb.applefool.com for a list of my computers, my blog, and some random resources.

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#55 2014-10-21 19:19:51

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You can fit a 2009 board into a Santa Rosa/Penryn MacBook with a bit of modification. After I do the mod this weekend I'm going to put together a how-to.

Also, I'd be surprised if an aluminium MacBook could take the board - my guess is that its logic board would be a completely different shape.

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#56 2014-10-21 20:58:17

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Yes, it is a complete different shape.


Daily Drivers: 27" iMac 2.8 GHz Quad-Core i7 (Late 2009), 21.5" iMac 2.7GHz Quad-Core i5 (Late 2013), 11" Macbook Air 1.6 GHz i5 (Mid-2011)
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#57 2014-10-23 10:38:19

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So I've been using the ScrapBook as my main machine tonight, and I have to say...I'm really happy with how well its running. Even though the OS is currently just installed to the HDD I have installed (an old 60GB Toshiba I pulled out of a dead late 2006 MacBook), its damn quick compared to Lion on my daily BlackBook. I'm looking forward to seeing how quick it is when i install it on the SSD after sticking everything in the BlackBook. I'm also really happy with Yosemite....and to be honest, happy to be upgrading to a new OS X release for the first time in 3 years.

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#58 2014-10-23 14:35:43

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Re: LCGuy's money pit *ahem* collection

Its too bad the Intel x3100 was so flawed in its OS X implementation. The SR Macbooks if they had proper drivers probably could have made it to Yosemite (along with a 64-bit EFI update).
At least on the Windows side of things, the x3100 had a full 64 bit driver, so you could run even Windows 10 TP on an SR Macbook fine.
I went back to Snow Leopard from Lion on my Macbook as its noticeably faster. Since its not a main machine anymore having it run a current OS does not matter.

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#59 2014-10-23 15:02:09

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IIfx, I have the x3100 Macbook as well. It runs windows 8.1 awesome. snow leopard and lion were dogs on it. 320gb 7200rpm drive and 4gb ram didnt make a difference in OSX, but windows runs great.

LCGuy, the way your using that Macbook at the moment is as it's a naked mini! glad to see it's all coming together.


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#60 2014-10-23 16:18:01

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I've used MLPostFactor 10.8.5 on the x3100 'Books with decent performance.


Daily Drivers: 27" iMac 2.8 GHz Quad-Core i7 (Late 2009), 21.5" iMac 2.7GHz Quad-Core i5 (Late 2013), 11" Macbook Air 1.6 GHz i5 (Mid-2011)
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#61 2014-10-23 20:28:19

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IIfx wrote:

Its too bad the Intel x3100 was so flawed in its OS X implementation. The SR Macbooks if they had proper drivers probably could have made it to Yosemite (along with a 64-bit EFI update).
At least on the Windows side of things, the x3100 had a full 64 bit driver, so you could run even Windows 10 TP on an SR Macbook fine.
I went back to Snow Leopard from Lion on my Macbook as its noticeably faster. Since its not a main machine anymore having it run a current OS does not matter.

Thats what annoys me about this whole thing, that really, the only reason my machine was unsupported in 10.8 onwards is because Apple couldn't be stuffed to write a driver. Thats all it would've taken.

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#62 2014-10-23 23:45:25

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Re: LCGuy's money pit *ahem* collection

Is it just me, or is Apple really a lot more customer hostile than it was in the past? It seems that under Tim Cook the goal is to eliminate user expansion/repair possibilities. The whole abandoning the 32 bit EFI macs happened under his management. I get the Macbook Air using soldered RAM, but having a full-size laptop like the Macbook Pro or a desktop like the iMac or the Mini have soldered memory is rather ridiculous. Gluing down batteries instead of screwing them in helps make it very difficult to replace failing batteries.

Back on topic - someday I will have the funds to clean it up. The parts will only get cheaper with time. Actually it looks like its cheaper to buy a second SR Macbook in good condition than it is to buy parts to refurb my existing one, but there is something more special about a computer you alone owned...

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#63 2014-10-24 00:31:42

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Re: LCGuy's money pit *ahem* collection

LCGuy wrote:

Thats what annoys me about this whole thing, that really, the only reason my machine was unsupported in 10.8 onwards is because Apple couldn't be stuffed to write a driver. Thats all it would've taken.

Kinda like the missing hooks in the OS for USB on 68k?  mad

Nothing at Apple ever changes:

Buy newer, faster  .  .  .  what we think is better or you're not the kind of customer we want or need. tongue

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#64 2014-10-24 00:40:57

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I have the old white iMAc with the X1600 i think it is, I cannot remember.

is there a way to hack Yosemite to run on it?

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#65 2014-10-24 05:29:29

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Nope but if it's Core 2, you could probably use mlpostfactor.


Daily Drivers: 27" iMac 2.8 GHz Quad-Core i7 (Late 2009), 21.5" iMac 2.7GHz Quad-Core i5 (Late 2013), 11" Macbook Air 1.6 GHz i5 (Mid-2011)
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#66 2014-10-24 07:39:33

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jt wrote:
LCGuy wrote:

Thats what annoys me about this whole thing, that really, the only reason my machine was unsupported in 10.8 onwards is because Apple couldn't be stuffed to write a driver. Thats all it would've taken.

Kinda like the missing hooks in the OS for USB on 68k?  mad

Nothing at Apple ever changes:

Buy newer, faster  .  .  .  what we think is better or you're not the kind of customer we want or need. tongue

Not quite...as well as needing drivers to make USB on a 68k a reality, you'd also need a USB chipset that will run on NuBus, or that can be interfaced with the '030 or '040 PDS. (they're all PCI) A better example would probably be the Kanga G3 not being officially supported by OS X, or OS 8 not supporting fast '030s such as the LC III or Mac IIci.

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#67 2014-10-24 13:31:46

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Re: LCGuy's money pit *ahem* collection

It is pretty feasible to make USB on Nubus - if you have the engineering resources. All Nubus cards are designed to be platform agnostic - each card will have a chip or two dedicated to translating between the Nubus bus and the cards internal IO. So the arrangement would be a Nubus to PCI controller, perhaps reverse engineering PCI to Nubus controllers that did exist to the USB controller. Perhaps it can be done with an FPGA. The even bigger challenge than making the Nubus to PCI bridge (which would be possible by referencing IEEE standards) would be coding the ROM for the card. The card would be useless in a Mac without a ROM telling the Mac what it is...

Even more interesting would be adapting PCI to the IIfx or the 040 PDS to give these machines a lightning fast expansion bus. But this is will beyond most of our knowledge sets and probably will never happen.

Its a pipe dream, I know. hmm

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#68 2014-10-24 15:25:14

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Hey, it's pretty feasible to put my IIci on wheels and have it sing and dance ... if you have the engineering resources. wink

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#69 2014-10-25 13:41:32

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So i benchmarked the ScrapBook (which currently runs the BlackBook's new guts, which it will get tomorrow) against the BlackBook as it currently stands. For the most part, in both CineBench and GeekBench the ScrapBook benchmarks slightly lower than the BlackBook apart from graphics, where of course the ScrapBook totally dominates. Either way, it'll still benefit from the faster RAM, more RAM, faster FSB, dual SATA buses, and real graphics. And despite what the benchmarks say, in real world use the ScrapBook is a hell of a lot faster, and doesn't beachball anywhere near as much.

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#70 2014-10-25 15:21:33

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ClassicHasClass wrote:

Hey, it's pretty feasible to put my IIci on wheels and have it sing and dance ... if you have the engineering resources. wink

Dancing requires articulated legs or bouncing hood pneumatics, either way, NoPro. tongue

Computers have been singing since the advent of the FDD, just code the controller to beat the snot out of the FDD and you'll have it singin'n'n'n' the blues in nothin' flat  .  .  .  reminds me  .  .  .  had a buddy who worked at Bell Labs back in the day, it seems someone there had written code for a PDP-8 to seek dance routines out of a washing machine sized HDD in a similar fashion. yikes




note: to get USB on 68k, all you'd really need to mention would be that TI's NuBus Transceivers are fully documented, they'd fit handily on the vacant acreage of the equivalent of the uber-expensive .jp twin slot adapter (it would wind up being triple slot with two exit points) and that almost everything ever used for storage for the Mac over NuBus (or PCI) tasted like SCSI  .  .  .



.  .  .  forgot to specify the SE/30 part, those people are crazy! roll

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#71 2014-10-25 22:48:11

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ClassicHasClass wrote:

Hey, it's pretty feasible to put my IIci on wheels and have it sing and dance ... if you have the engineering resources. wink

Well the singing part is good, use a modified ROM image with a custom boot chime ;-)

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#72 2014-10-25 23:32:58

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Back on topic...today is the day!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCFuX29shfg

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#73 2014-10-26 11:55:47

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An entire day of literally, blood sweat and tears. The end result was worth it:

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#74 2014-10-26 16:26:33

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Very nice! cool  just sitting still it's a singin'-n-dancin' thing of beauty. Did you need to swap screens or was the cable.connector identical?

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#75 2014-10-26 19:59:09

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The cable connectors between Late 2007 and Mid 2009 MacBooks are identical. In fact the LVDS connectors on all plastic MacBooks are all the same - they only changed the inverter connector at the introduction of the Late 2007 model. Apart from the optical drive connector (which is SATA rather than PATA), all other internal connectors are the same.

However that didn't stop me from finding out that I'd need to mod the case more than I thought I would for it to screw in, nor did it stop me from spending the better part of the day trying to get the damn thing to boot, and worrying that the logic board was FUBAR.

Ah well, all working now smile

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