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#51 2014-08-26 03:11:28

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I'm not doing much thinking lately. roll

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#52 2014-09-04 00:28:53

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

bump smile


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#53 2014-09-04 15:30:16

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

badabump! wink

Still not doing much on the Mac front besides idiotic conceptual imagery regarding subliminal suggestions for hacks, like Sonnetizing an SE/30  .  .  .

I'm going through the pile of eWaste secondary/tertiary hacks and scavenged parts thin out the hoard. I'll check for 'sinks from the curbed PC Case/Parts Donors. Are you installing the Rocket where it has extra head-room or right next to another NuBus Card?


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#54 2014-09-07 15:03:04

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

Still want to play with System 6 & the Rocket !

A) Copy the System Folder from a 6.0.8 System Startup Disk to a hard drive. B) Use System Picker to boot into the new OS. C) Install the Rocket. D) Install the RocketWare 1.3.2. E) Use System Picker to boot back out of the RocketWare-installed System 6. F) Take CompactPro or Stuffit and compress the the Rocketware System Folder. G) Binhex it or MacBinary II-it and it's ready to go. smile

I put it on Slot C, the one nearest the IIci cache card. The 486 heatsink I got has the right profile, but it's a little too wide for my liking. 10 minutes with a mill should take care of that. Then I need to get a thermal pad. The fan may or may not stay in place, it just borrows power from the HDD power connector.


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#55 2014-09-07 17:56:53

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I also have some Radius Rockets, including two of the elusive 40mhz Stage II. One has the PhotoBooster, the other the SCSI Booster. The 40mhz ones have a heatsink, so do the 33mhz ones I have.

The 40mhz cards are blue which is cool.

If anyone wants info, tests, etc. performed I will be glad to contribute. I have the original manuals, floppies, etc so archiving is not out of the question.

The rocket is such a cool card, hack or not. I have always wondered why no other developer ever unlocked the power of the AT&T Western Electric DSP's on the PhotoBooster cards (either the PDS one for the Rocket or the Nubus version). A 66mhz DSP should have no issue with things like MP3 decoding, for example.

So much potential untapped in my eyes.

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#56 2014-09-07 18:21:46

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I've been interested in developing for the DSP, but can't find the tools, or even much information on how to load code into it.  From my understanding, the code typically lives in a resource, and Apple provided glue to load the resource to the DSP.
The Apple Real Time Architecture kit was an extra $1k from Apple, and from what I understand, they weren't that great to work with.  I'd love to mess around with it a bit, but it seems very difficult to find.  The ARTA kit was specifically for the DSP in the AV macs, and the cards with 3210's shipped by 3rd parties were entirely up to 3rd parties on how to develop for them.  Presumably there was an AT&T supplied assembler, and it was up to the programmer to try to figure out if a DSP was attached, and where the DSP(s) were located, and how to load code into them.

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#57 2014-09-07 19:57:40

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I'm scratching my head trying to come up with the name of the guy who coded MPEGdec. He was doing development work for the DSP on the Sound Accelerator II back in the MLA Archive Day. Look for MPEGdec to (maybe just maybe) get his contact info and query him.

There might also be clues back in the ancient DuoBoomBoxDock project threads, ISTR that being where we were trying to get the DSP testing done. wink

edit: Have you looked into the Docs for the standalone PhotoBooster, I can't imagine radius not providing an SDK for it? I'll see if I can find mine, oP sold one N2MeIB.

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#58 2014-09-08 00:22:08

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

IIfx: Do you have RocketWare 1.3.2 for System 6? That's what I'm presently interested in.

I'm not sure if you caught it further up the thread but my DSP card blew out. While dismayed, I wasn't as concerned as if the whole Rocket crashed and burnt.

The first consideration, as from this fascinating thread, is that there's not much use for a DSP card unless it's Photoshop filters and rendering. DSP cards were typically used for, according to that thread, just about nothing else since they suffered from the same disease that IBM infected itself with OS/2.

Still, I'm fasincated by the card. Plainly put, there's nothing else like it that I know of: accelerator OR a hardware virtual machine. Apparently there's some kind of NeXT hardware that has a similar feature, and I'm told the Amiga BridgeBoard had other arcane levels of awesome. (But "arcane levels of awesome" describes the whole Amiga line, if I'm honest.)


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#59 2014-09-08 23:05:44

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#60 2014-09-17 03:24:32

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

Pumb I mean...Bump. RS 1.3.2 on System 6!?

I have a feeling this is going to be a long-time endeavor hmm Oh well, some things just take time. smile


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#61 2014-09-17 06:03:51

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I was thinking about your needs and I may have come up with a solution that WILL take a bit of time because I haven't got much free time to spare for a while.

Since the archived floppy disks a/o disk images don't install, what do you think of my notion of setting up  6.0.8 and RocketWare on one of my drives with my standard utility suite. Backing that up to a CD that I can mail out for "restoration"of  the backup onto a drive at your end might be a reasonable solution?

ISTR having Retrospect Express on hand. Whatcha think?

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#62 2014-09-17 11:01:00

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

Oughta work. All I need is the System Folder though, and any programs/utilities it installs. Me thinks a simple DropBox upload is even easier though smile

I do have some time though, because I need to get a thermal pad for my heatsink. Oh yeah that reminds me to have the heatsink milled down slightly. Hopefully they'll all come together at about the same time wink


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#63 2014-09-24 01:32:53

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

*listens intently*


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#64 2014-09-24 04:37:12

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

*hums tunelessly  .  .  .  procrastination prevails  .  .  .  yawns and heads to bed*





edit: Out of bed, but don't plan on waking up until after work at 11. Drop me a line here and I'll get back to you. Having trouble dealing with things IRL ATM, patience required your end. Gotta check email more frequently  .  .  .  hmm

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#65 2014-09-27 00:19:23

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I thought I sent an email...Hey I remember those days when emails did get lost, though!

For a minute I remembered a prior question: is it possible to run a Rocket...within another Rocket? Say if I take Rocket #1 and start up RocketShare, get it going. Then install RocketShare inside that Rocket, reboot it, and launch Rocket #2 inside Rocket #1?


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#66 2014-09-27 01:19:48

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I doubt it....can a Rocket see/use other NuBus cards under its own power? I didn't think they could.

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#67 2014-09-27 02:40:18

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

Well IIfx I think has at least two "standard" Rockets, so he's probably the man for the quest. olepigeon I think also has multiple Rockets. Only one way to find out!

They don't tell you this in the manual, but if your hard drive is pretty small, you're going to have a hard time getting a usuable Rocket volume. On a 50MB drive, you're looking at like, 8MB "My First Rocket Disk" size.


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#68 2014-09-27 15:22:10

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I can check out the possibility on my IIfx with the 40mhz Rockets. I can do the 25mhz ones too but I would need to move the RAM over.

Slowly I have a growing to-do list regarding the rockets. Life has been pretty busy lately.

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#69 2014-09-28 15:15:21

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I didn't mention this specifically in the PDF'in thread, but I've got a copy of the SCSI II DaughterCard Product Brief and Technical  Answerline FAXback pages for Rocket/RocketShare that are missing from the waybacked Radius docs on the mainlyneatstuff pages, IIRC. Lots of manuals as well  .  .  .

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#70 2014-09-30 02:33:04

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

Oh, I just had another thought. If you run two Rockets, can you have one in accelerator mode and the other in hardware-VM mode?

jt would probably call that "cooking with ammonium perchlorate".


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#71 2014-09-30 14:49:40

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

<  hides kettle of Ammonium Nitrate behind back >



LCGuy wrote:

I doubt it....can a Rocket see/use other NuBus cards under its own power? I didn't think they could.


Interesting, you've got me thinking about using the PDS slot  .  .  .

.  .  .  maybe hook it up to a Q610(?) NuBus adapter  .  .  .
.  .  .  with homemade gigabit ethernet cards to do an A/UX/Linux equivalent of Appletalk over NuBus?



< decides thinking is highly overrated, dangerous and heads back toward kitchen >

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#72 2014-10-05 17:25:31

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

I made a post on mac68k.info about cracking the installer script's disk check.

Still, I'd like to do it the easy way, if I can. Looking at address registers and MOV operations gets dicey fast. smile

FWIW, I tried copying the Rocket CDEV and Rocket Launcher straight into the System Folder. As I fully expected, it didn't work.

Has anybody made any progress on the earlier request of mine?


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#73 2014-10-05 22:22:05

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

Today we've made a couple of discoveries.

First, dougg3 and I hammered away in ResEdit. It turns out that the creation dates for the files are very important. Such that the Installer rejects them it expects the files to be of creation date...ugh actually, not sure exactly, but it's somewhere between 1990 and 1992. (Each file is supposed to have a different date.) So I had the idea of replacing the creation date field from its original value of $A6A58F60 (for one file) to $00000000.

The actual procedure is to open the RocketWare Installer script with ResEdit. Open the infs resource. Look at the Name field. You'll see entries like "src AT", "src RSRCs", some are just blank, "tgt M32" and so on. What has to be done is open every entry that has "src" (source) in its name, and change the Creation Date field to $00000000. Also change all the blank ones too. Save changes, quit and RocketWare will now properly install. Well, I should probably say it probably installs.

Second: It doesn't work with System 6. Although the "second booting" happens much faster than System 7, it stops loading after the second bong occurs and just stops at the grey screen.

So there's no fancy copy protection or any kind of similar smish-schmadden. Merely the chap who imaged the disks screwed up the disks so that the creation dates aren't what they're supposed to be, sometime in 1990s rather than 1945 and 1947.

I think this makes my progression easier. jt, would you be able to image your disks and send them my way?


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#74 2014-10-10 12:51:19

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

*pokes in*

Still looking for some non vintagebox.de source disk images!

*darts off*


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#75 2014-10-11 04:50:32

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Re: Radius Rocket project thread

< peeks in, considers mentioning that he's never in his life tried to image a disk. >

< takes another long, hard look at what's on his plate IRL and decides he'd best remain clueless for the nonce. >

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