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#26 2015-03-10 18:33:42

volvo242gt
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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

LazarusNine wrote:

<snip>
I've 'collected' Macs for a quite a while, but limited space meant that collection was only limited to a PowerMac G4 MDD, iBook and a couple old PowerBooks. When it came time to scratch my 68k itch, it was the LC III I immediately turned to first. It fulfilled the nostalgia factor in that I was able to again have the LC form factor, but I got all the power of a computer that was immensely better than it's old grandpappy, the much-maligned (and deservedly so) LC. My only disappointment is that my LC III has a manual inject floppy drive, and I prefer the case style of the LC I and II (and the early IIIs). However, the processor in newer model LC III is 33MHz, which I intend on seeing the full potential of when I someday decide to overclock it.

There is a way to fix that issue...

LC, LCII, or earlier LCIII case lid, and an auto-inject floppy drive.  I'm most partial to the original LC lid, since the groove on the front goes all the way to the edges.  I did this with a Performa 475 a while back.  Replaced the drive, popped a standard LC case lid on it, and called it good.  That did mean that I had a couple of oddball machines, one being said 475, and the other being an LC with fish lips.

-J


modern: Mac Pro 2.8GHz 8-core 6GB/500G/DVD-RW, A1150 MBP 2GHz CD, 2GB/80G/DVD-RW
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#27 2015-03-11 19:52:32

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

you guys remember this lol?

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#28 2015-03-12 02:26:02

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

What the fark is that Photoshopped monstrosity on the right?

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#29 2015-03-12 20:04:00

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

A perversion of my "Quadra Classic" idea from the other place.  I'd link you to the thread, but since the Great Photo-Purge of '14 there's nothing there that makes any sense.  Shame too.  It was a fun thread.

Nutshell: Classic II with LC575 (originally 475) innards, grayscale VGA (at least 640x480), and stereo audio.  Styling updated to smooth curved face and manual-floppy pucker a'la LC475.  A real '93 brained and styled compact Mac.  A 10th Anniversary Mac, just 20 years too late.

Pictured above was the joke version with the pucker-floppy centered.  Below is the original v-hack.

*

I took it a little further.  I have it mostly assembled, with just some wiring and plastic surgery left.  The front looks a pretty convincing.  I'm working up the courage to get the back port cover carved in.  Pic of the '93 style face in real life: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid= … 5763798534

I was waiting on getting an internal cable for the monitor back from... someone... to finish the real deal, but now that person has gone incognito (I hope temporarily) so I'm going to have to fashion my own. Not a real big deal, but enough to keep it on the back burner for a year while other things have been urgent.

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#30 2015-03-13 02:07:48

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Looks awesome. Kinda funny to see a manual inject slot on a compact.

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#31 2015-03-13 04:07:13

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Hmm. Google won't let me look at it unless I 'upgrade' (I use the term advisedly) to G+.

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#32 2015-03-13 05:25:04

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Oh wow Al, it still exists!
That turned out really smooth. Did you ever figure out the intricacies of the grayscale screen and the 5(4)75?


http://markyb.applefool.com for a list of my computers, my blog, and some random resources.

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#33 2015-03-13 10:56:18

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I'll find a better place for the pic.  Again, it sure would be easier to point you to the 17 page thread full of pictures, but those pics all disappeared. mad

I have isolated the Audio/Video signals from the CC wiring loom, and have a tricked out 575 board for it.  I have an LC power supply for the LB and the monitor has its own.  Everything physically fits beautifully.

I need to:
- mount the logic-board receiver on the chassis
- mount the HD on the old Classic II's now unpopulated analog board
- connect the audio and video signals from the loom to their targets
- hook up the LC PS to the loom
- cut a doorway for the sliding logic board in the bucket and make the door from a 575 rear cover
- duplicate the starburst of sound holes on the right side for the second speaker
- have the balls to flip the switch smile

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#34 2015-03-14 03:37:14

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

MinerAl wrote:

I'll find a better place for the pic.  Again, it sure would be easier to point you to the 17 page thread full of pictures, but those pics all disappeared. mad

I noticed that just today in some other threads, but thought it was something selective about specific people's photo attachments being removed. What's the story there?

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#35 2015-03-14 04:09:21

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I thought it was everyone's photo attachments that got removed - it happens when they switched from phpBB to IPB - going from whatever plugin they were using for image hosting to IPB's image hosting functionality killed off all the photos that had been posted previously.

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#36 2015-03-14 12:16:04

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Don't worry; they're working on it!

For a year.

With no results.

:-/

--Edit--
<rant>

I asked wthww to restore the pics to my thread, and he couldn't right away, so he sent me a .zip file of all the pictures from that thread.  Which was pretty cool.

From what I understand replacing the pics would be a by-hand one-pic-at-a-time process, and none of the mods is interested in that.  I don't blame them, but it's the kind of issue that should've been worked out a year ago before forum software was switched.  My thread was kind of silly in the scope of things, but good, valuable, critical-to-the-community info like Uni's recap pics are seemingly permanently lost. 

Obviously, Uniserver is still around and could repost his pics, but there are old threads with posters who've moved on to other hobbies, or whatever, and their pics will never see the light of day.

I wish they'd just made a cold break, turned off posting on the phpBB version and left it up for reference, with new posting only on the new software.

Ah well.

</rant>

I like the LCIII best too, unless there's a 475/605 with the crippled onboard RAM removed... and OC'd to 33MHz... and a 128M stick in the RAM slot.  Then, I like it best smile

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#37 2015-03-14 20:39:04

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

^Probably the easiest thing to do would be to reboot the thread here and just upload everything to flickr or Photobucket, then embed the images.  It'd take some work, but, unless we somehow wind up going to the IPB failure, the pics should remain.

-J


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#38 2015-03-14 22:54:00

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

or if wthww or cory could just grab all the old pictures, dump them on an image hosting/dropbox, and let us figure out the details?

downside is I dont know the total size of all the pictures ever uploaded, itll probably exceed the "free" space allotted by anyone.

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#39 2015-03-15 00:42:51

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I just wish we could edit our old threads over there, I would happily dump the few pics of mine from there that where relevant onto my server and update my posts to link to them. But even though I have the pictures I can't do that because I can't edit the posts.

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#40 2015-06-25 03:11:22

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I'm lucky enough to own the quartet of LC pizza boxes (original LC with Apple 2 card, LC 2, LC 3 with added FPU and LC 475 with full 68040). Of all four machines, the LC III remains my favorite.

The first LC was an oddity, with the dual floppy support. (Has anyone actually ever SEEN one being used this way???) The main reason I got the one I did was because it came with the Apple 2 card, which AFAIK won't work on the future LC machines. The LC 2 was just to complete the collection - got it for $10 with a bad hard drive, and replaced it from my small supply of 80mb Quantums. The 475 was a lucky find - I had recently been given a dead Quadra 700, and very shortly after the 475 fell into my hands, so the Q700 became a chip donor.

But the LC III is the one I've spent the most time actually sitting in front of and using. I did upgrade its drive to the 160mb Quantum drive that was often found in the all-in-one LCs, which is more noisy than the 80mb units (which I personally like - sometimes I still miss the classic sound of a hard drive's head actuator clicking away as it dutifully retrieves your data.) It has a 32MB SIMM and the VRAM SIMM as well, and I just recently replaced the PRAM battery. It just keeps going. It's also where most of my favorite classic games and apps are. The minor lag in some higher-end games is almost a part of the experience and actually doesn't annoy me. I also have an AppleCD 150 (yep, 1X drive with the caddy mechanism) to go with it, and also a CD 600e (for those apps that demand higher-speed drives).

The machine has also come in handy for pulling data from old drives. I deliberately set the internal SCSI drive to ID 2, so that I can easily attach external SCSI drives via a simple 50-pin-to-Centronics adapter without worrying about SCIS IDs. This coupled with my trusty Zip drive has actually earned me a few bucks pulling data off dead Macs with working drives. The LC III was up to the challenge and performed admirably!

There's even some fun to be had with the Ethernet adapter and a Telnet client - accessing my Linux box shell (yeah, it's insecure, but I only have Telnet open to the LAN, not the Internet, and on a different port) and using FTP to push and pull files from the machine works great too. I could go on and on, but the upshot is that this 23-year-old machine still delights and impresses me.

So cast my vote as well for the LC III being my favorite classic Mac. :-)

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#41 2015-06-25 04:30:10

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

fmillion wrote:

I had recently been given a dead Quadra 700, and very shortly after the 475 fell into my hands, so the Q700 became a chip donor.


yikes sad

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#42 2015-06-25 21:26:33

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Me hangs head in shame. hmm

Check thread at unnamed clubhouse for current make up offer. neutral

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#43 2015-06-28 01:43:03

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

No need to mourn the loss of the Q700. The board was pretty damaged beyond repair. Pieces were broken off and there was corrosion everywhere. The previous owner basically thrust it at me saying either it goes to me or the dump. I figured I'd see if anything was salvageable (and of course it was - the CPU.) :-)

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#44 2015-06-28 15:09:07

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

If you still have the case, use epoxy putty on the inside to sculpt it back together with structural integrity. Add Bondo or the like (see Al's SmoochyMacHack) to hide the cracks and paint it BLACK! If nothing else, store your extra memory/whatever in "Director's Edition" Style. cool

< swerves back on topic >

I finally got myself an LCIII because I bought a small stack of NIB PowerCache adapters for parts during Shreve Systems' massive liquidation sale back in the day. (anyone else have fond memories of that?) mcd sent me a IIci Cache Card to test in the adapter, but that didn't work on the first try.

It would be interesting to see if it's a a hardware issue or a hackable ROM issue at some point. The Adapter itself is passive, having only line driver/buffer ICs/associated caps on board. If the collective ever tackles development an LC Slot NIC as has been discussed, putting pads-n-holes on it to support the IIci's Cache Card as an option seems a no-brainer to me. LOTS of those floating around at very reasonable prices. Actual PowerCache Card prices have gone out of sight.

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#45 2015-07-03 19:51:03

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

yeah if someone is willing to do some serious hacking with a Iici cache card... i have some, i would be more then willing to send one to somebody for the cause smile

A LCII with CACHE might be it's saving grace?
A 33mhz LCIII with it might be like a bolt on turbo?

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#46 2015-07-03 20:24:53

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

LCII's issue is RAM, not cache. smile

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#47 2015-07-03 22:09:59

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

size or speed?


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#48 2015-07-08 00:43:35

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I love the LCIII as well. Have two but one was DOA on a recap; then again this one failed at school where it was in the late 90's and put into a closet with the other dead machines until the school upgraded to G3s and dead units were put into the trash. I rescued it and a couple others, and this one is the only one that could not be fixed. It was a 33MHz unit.

So I seek a replacement 33MHz motherboard for it.

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