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#1 2014-06-27 18:43:11

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I like the Mac LC III the best.

It's been a hard decision over the years... I have always really wanted to have a favorite mac.

What i'm really getting as is, I'v always wanted to be able to say... XXXX ( this is my favorite mac )

As of about 3 days ago... I have finally decided that the Macintosh LC III is my favorite.

Why?

_ no need for any SIMMS.
Vram and Ram are on board.

_ Easily Over Clockable
Runs like a dream @ 33mhz

_ FPU Pop's right in

_ Nic cards are cheap

_ good enough onboard resolution 832x624 256 colors, /w stock vram, what more do you need?

_ hands down the most likely mac to work ( if ran till death ) ( after a re-cap )
Video / Sound / SCSI / ADB

_ Super easily serviceable
_ Super Easy to survice PSU, (TDK) if equipped

_ Fast SCSI Chip,  Screams with one of my 10K SCA Drives installed + Max's SCA to SCSI adaptor

_ Pop 32 or 64 megs of ram in there,  Easy to find... Low Cost.

_ 25mhz or 33mhz 68030 runs most vintage apps great...
if not then you probably should be running it with a PPC anyways.

_ 32 Bit Clean.

_ even after its OC'd to 33mhz they still don't hardly make any heat.
they don't get hot.

_ Case Plastic, even if yellowed, Still has its Structural Rigidity.

_ Seems most of them came with the 80mb HD, they are more likely to still work then the 40mb or 160mb hd.

_ (mostly) they are all Sony 2m Auto Inject :-)  hear the LCIII+ models have manual inject.

_ LC III's are still pretty easy to obtain!

_ LC-III's will run just fine /WO a pram battery installed. - no video issues - NO Power Flip Trick.

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Please Share your thoughts on your favorite Mac,  It has to be just one smile  (even if its a super close decision)

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#2 2014-06-27 21:01:00

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

It was close in my decision.

I mean here were some legitimate runners up

- Q610 - hate the case - lots of them were LC CPU - only 20mhz - cap goo issues
- Q700 - big case - lots of heat - 30pin ram - hard to get and expensive
- Color Classic - expensive - 24bit only, 10 meg ram limit, slow
- LC520/550/575 - limited resolution, no built in vram, harder to find
- LC475/Q605 - Crappy Plastics, no built in vram, needs pram battery, lots of heat
- PB 520/540c - very crappy plastics, witch just ends it for me.
- q840av - Dog shit bad plastics, Massive Case, Dog Shit Main-board Design
yeah it is the fastest 68k mac ever made with 66mhz DSP, no good with a cooked MB.

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#3 2014-06-27 23:27:20

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

There are lots of PowerPCs I like, but if you make me pick a beige 68K, it's gonna be the IIci, hands down. Cheap, stackable, easy to work on, incredibly expandable, runs anything up to 8.1 like a champ (with appropriate software or CPU card), great as little *BSD servers like the one I've run for years.

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#4 2014-06-28 00:50:19

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

yeah i thought about that the ci is another one of those close considerations ( for me )  :-)

Do you have a LC3? i know you have a lot of machines!


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#5 2014-06-28 01:16:42

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I like the LC3, But i like the LC475 better with a full 040. But I dont own one, so that doesnt count ;-)

Right now, i really dont have a personal favorite as far as desktops/laptops in the 68K world.

However, my favorite PPC is the PB1400/166. I like the style, like the keyboard, and its compact.

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#6 2014-06-28 02:03:33

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

uni: Just out of curiousity, whats wrong with the plastic used on the LC475? The 605 I understand, being one of the first SpindlerPlastic Macs, but the 475 uses the same case parts as the LC III.

As for me...my favourite 68k would probably be the LC475, given that its basically an LCIII with a '040...and will take up to 132MB of RAM, a full meg of VRAM (allowing 16 bit colour at 832x624 or 8 bit colour at 1152x870), can be overclocked to 33 Mhz, while at the same time being as small and energy efficient as the LCIII. And if it wasn't for the SpindlerPlastic, and the crap vampire video, the LC630 is better still, with a 33 Mhz '040, IDE (allowing the use of big and cheap drives), PDS, CS and Video slots, dual RAM slots on later models, along with the optional DOS card and a built in CD-ROM. I have a maxed out LC630 DOS myself...and despite the crappy video, its a beautiful machine.

That said, the LCIII was my first computer, so its special to me. smile

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#7 2014-06-28 03:59:06

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I have a Q605 in an LCIII case, since I like the LC's case better than the bulbous Q605 case.

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#8 2014-06-28 05:12:55

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

haha i hear what you are saying LCguy, and I appreciate the posts!
( debate ) ( conversation )

I will explain my thoughts. smile

- you are right about the 475 and the Performa having the same plastics as the LC-III
-however - The Kissy face floppy annoys me.  and the Manual eject Floppy Drive is much to manual.

I like how the auto inject just sucks the disk right outta my hand.. its a premium feature, Gives me an added feeling of quality.
its just that little extra.

- Ok and comments as to well anything with an 040 is better.
Here is my beef with the late 040 and the early 601's.
They are both shit, Intermediary CPU's.

Let me explain my self a little better, Its not that they are shit, its just like they are more unnecessary.

The LC3 @ 33mhz with FPU, 36/68 megs of ram.  Is a Strong machine!  100% of the Vintage software that i have and run
work Fantastic with it.

anything that that i would run that is newer really needs an AIO or iMac for later on stuff anyways.
and Mac OS 9.22, to be ran well enough.

I had an epiphany the other day.
it was fantastic.

I'v had my 2stroke 2hp generator in the garage for a few months now... its been filled up with gas 50:1
I got the thing for 99 bucks from harbor freight.(800watts 900peak) Its broke in and ready to go.

just so happens, When i came home from work last week, my power was out.
fired this little bad boy up and it was running the whole house
LCD TV
Sat Receiver
DSL Modem Router Wireless
Refrigerator
2 fans on low
Ryobi battery charger.
17" iMac
1 windows laptop
My mac book air
1 23 Watt Spaghetti floor light.

for like 6 hours and only used about 1/2 - 3/4 of the tank of gas! (1 us gallon )

Sure a 4000 watt generator would have been better, because then i could have also ran
pretty much my whole house + Air Conditioner. But it did what i needed it to do.

I just feel like right off the bat you get more with the LC-III
4 megs of ram onboard,  Enough Vram onboard for 256 colors @ a generous resolution.
Just seems like its got it all, really

you buy the thing off ebay, some bafoon stole the HD/RAM/VRAM
So what... Even if no pram battery is in there. Connect it to your External Zip, or slide a HD in there and you are ready to roll
even if you are a nubie with no apple parts around the house, you are cooking with gas.
Or lets say the caps are all shot... so what, you have about a 100% chance changing the caps results in a completely working mac.
and not a so/so mac.. A really good one!

I did some tests, 4megs of ram, + 32bit 40meg+ paging file, /w one of these 10K hd's /w 8 megs of CACHE.
makes about the most impressive Paging file I have ever seen!

especially when you consider its predecessor the LC-II.
On a Percentage basis the LC-III is so much better its almost not right.

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#9 2014-06-28 15:04:56

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

uniserver wrote:

- you are right about the 475 and the Performa having the same plastics as the LC-III
-however - The Kissy face floppy annoys me.  and the Manual eject Floppy Drive is much to manual.

I like how the auto inject just sucks the disk right outta my hand.. its a premium feature, Gives me an added feeling of quality.
its just that little extra.

Ah, yes - didn't think about that, mostly because both of my LCIIIs are manual inject. smile (complete with the Mitsubishi (Shitsubishi) manual-inject drives, as opposed to the Sony manual injects which were (IMHO) better)

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#10 2014-06-28 17:18:34

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Ahh yes,   Did you have Educational late model LC-III?   or by chance are are they all LC-III+ 's


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#11 2014-06-28 17:41:47

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I still have my LCIII, its the older one with the manual inject sony. But I retired it as I didnt figure out the weird issue it has. Thought it was the caps and it wasnt. When you first fire it up, the raster bounces, squiggles and wiggles horizontally, then it clears up. But I didnt attack the power supply yet so its likely that.

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#12 2014-06-28 21:59:40

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

All the LC-III's so far that i have came across are Auto Inject Floppy, but I wouldn't mind a manual inject LC-III for my collection smile

Yeah techknight if that has a TDK psu in it.. then its more then likely has leaky smoothing caps.

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#13 2014-06-28 22:12:10

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

wow even apple says the LC-III is Auto Inject.
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP209

here's one with a manual inject floppy smile
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#14 2014-06-29 01:21:35

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

uniserver wrote:

Ahh yes,   Did you have Educational late model LC-III?   or by chance are are they all LC-III+ 's

Both of my LCIIIs are October 1993 models, manufactured in Singapore. The one that I've had since new was delivered in December 1993, and has its original logic board, with a 25 Mhz '030. My other LCIII, while I have no idea as to when it would've been purchased, also has a board with a 25 Mhz '030, which I'm guessing is its original board. Much like the LC/Performa 550, I don't think the LCIII+ was really all that common here.

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#15 2014-06-29 03:14:21

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

ok well it looks like apple was a little strange wether or not they did the Auto or Manual inject.
- at least with the LC-III


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#16 2014-06-29 04:31:53

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

My guess is that they used whatever parts they had available. I remember going into the store a few days after we got our LCIII and seeing an auto-inject LCIII on display and wondering why ours was different. From what I recall, here in Australia at least the LCII and LCIII were available to education customers through to the better half of 1994, and there were quite a few manual-inject LCIIs sold to schools here. Meanwhile I have seen a couple of pictures of auto-inject LC475's. So yeah - my guess is that between late 1993/1994 they just used whatever parts they had at the time.

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#17 2014-06-29 07:31:25

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Call me crazy but I've never really noticed a lot of different between auto and manual. I just kind of push until it goes in.


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#18 2014-06-29 19:37:53

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

That's what she said.

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#19 2014-06-29 20:03:00

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

haha in mcdermds case... she is like AHHHyeeeee,  The other floppy drive!


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#20 2014-06-30 10:37:19

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

Back in 2000-01, I had an LC case lid swapped P475...  Was the only 32-bit clean machine that would run Arkanoid.  Nothing else I had then, nor now would touch it, if it were 32-bit clean.

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#21 2014-06-30 13:15:02

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I'm partial to the Q605, mostly because it looks so lovely with the Portrait sitting on top. The LC's front MonoFeets put it and the Portrait at a jauntier angle on a desktop, but the 605 still edges it out for me, especially so when sitting at an ergonomically correct height on a real computer workstation.

The 605 is one of the few "Espresso" Mac Cases that appeal to me. The roomy sub-basement opens a world of expansion capability, whereas the hackable wedgie space under the LCs puts a serious damper on sub-mobo memory a/o multiple PDS card hacking options.

I've finally completed the LC, LCII, LCIII, LC475 collection, but I haven't actually played with the non-475 trio yet.

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#22 2015-02-04 21:31:56

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

does anyone have a 64 meg ram simm installed in their Mac LC-III ?


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#23 2015-03-07 18:27:49

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

I am reviving this thread to throw my two cents in. I really love the Macintosh LC III. Our first Mac was an LC and at the time, it just 'was'. It's what my family could afford, and to be honest, I didn't think about its limitations. But now after all these years, it's so clear how wonderful the LC III was. I think my most sought-after Mac is the IIci or the IIfx, but finally coming to own an LC III was a great moment. For all of the reasons Uniserver states, the machine represents Apple finally getting the LC 'right'. It's lightweight, low-profile form factor makes it a much more attractive machine than many other Macs, but it hasn't compromised much power in order to make it affordable/useable. Sure, it doesn't have a full 030 chip, but that hardly matters for most tasks we tend to use the 68k machines for anyway.

I have a Performa 630, and it's MUCH more finicky than my LC III. Equally, I find that the LC 475, though technically more powerful, makes a few sacrifices that are quite annoying. For instance, the stock VRAM (or lack thereof) means that it performs graphically worse than my LC III with a 256k VRAM upgrade. To get the VRAM up to 1MB on my 475, I will need to replace BOTH chips with 512k chips. With the LC III, I can get 768k by just dropping a single 256k chip on the motherboard.

I've 'collected' Macs for a quite a while, but limited space meant that collection was only limited to a PowerMac G4 MDD, iBook and a couple old PowerBooks. When it came time to scratch my 68k itch, it was the LC III I immediately turned to first. It fulfilled the nostalgia factor in that I was able to again have the LC form factor, but I got all the power of a computer that was immensely better than it's old grandpappy, the much-maligned (and deservedly so) LC. My only disappointment is that my LC III has a manual inject floppy drive, and I prefer the case style of the LC I and II (and the early IIIs). However, the processor in newer model LC III is 33MHz, which I intend on seeing the full potential of when I someday decide to overclock it.

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#24 2015-03-10 12:31:38

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

yup and remember you can pop a FPU right on there, and it doesn't need to be @33mhz,  you could pop a 16mhz fpu in there if it was all you had laying around.


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#25 2015-03-10 13:56:28

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Re: I like the Mac LC III the best.

LazarusNine wrote:

I am reviving this thread to throw my two cents in.

What display are you using with your LCIII? Do you have one of the older Apple Color Monitors? They seem to be a great fit... Or... I have a *slight* hunch you may be using a flatscreen with adapter per some MR post deducement... forgive me if I have guessed wrong tongue

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