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#1 2014-06-16 16:25:31

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OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

.  .  .  and machine specific eMac 9.2.2/10.2 Installer shenanigans:

I've seen numerous references to the fabled eMac "Universal Installer" and figured it was time for an actual thread regarding the beast:

On a lark, I snagged an eMac 10.2/9.2.2 Installer w/Restore set on eBay: I'm hoping, but really not expecting, to get confirmation that this might be the set, but I have other reasons (shenanigans) for playing with it.

Cory just posted that the brass ring is the eMac 800 OS Installer.

The Wikipedia's OS9 Compatibility Chart shows the '800/ATI  boot rev. as machine specific version of 9.2.2, so my suspicion is that the Unversal 9.2.2 Installer would actually be the original,  August 13, 2002 release, eMac 800 and not the set that should be arriving in 4-5 days.

everymac's eMac 800(ATI) specs show a release date of May 6, 2003 which dovetails nicely with the June 23, 2003 release of my Powermac G4/i1.25MHz MDD 2003 OS9se (special edition) target system, which is also listed as boot compatible only a machine specific 9.2.2 release in the Wikepedia compatibility chart.

So which is the Brass Ring on the Universal Installer Carousel and is it only the OS9.2.2 Installer that's universal or is the 10.x installer universal?

Any info on a possible eMac installer set on PowerMac MDD'03 would be much appreciated as well.

edit: Technical Note TN1176: OS9

The search continues: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ap … e%22+9.2.2

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#2 2014-06-16 18:31:50

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .


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#3 2014-06-16 21:52:07

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

I can't tell for sure, but it looks like the eMac install set I have. The 9.2.2 is universal. I don't know about the 10.x.

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#4 2014-06-16 22:01:43

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

Thanks, uni! I wonder if the version for the first gen MDD/FW400 is the same as for the MDD'03?

Could it be as easy as mounting the .dmg on the Desktop of the 12" PowerBook G4/1.33 under 10.4.11 and the drag/dropping it onto a blank DVD?

I've got no way to mount a .dmg on the MDD'03 thus far. hmm

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#5 2014-06-17 01:58:34

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

If it is uncompressed, early OS X Disc Copy can open it. Disk Utility in 10.3+ Can open any dmg.


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#6 2014-06-17 02:02:29

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

Thanks, uni! I wonder if the version for the first gen MDD/FW400 is the same as for the MDD'03?

It should be, yes.

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#7 2014-06-17 15:28:07

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

I can confirm that the first generation eMac 10.1.x disks are indeed universal (I've installed it on my G3 iMacs and Clamshell iBooks many times).

In fact, I can safely say that many restore disks of the era seem to be more or less universal (the compatibility checks they used are either very simple or nonexistent), so I'm guessing any 10.1.x or early 10.2.x disks should work fine on any machines released prior to the disk (on the single early-ish 10.2.x disk I've tried (a PowerBook G4 17" disk with 10.2.4), some of the software specific for the model are only installable on that model, but the OS itself still appears to be universal).

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#8 2014-06-21 00:00:09

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Head->KBD
Head->KBD
Head->KBD
Head->KBD

=XP

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#9 2014-06-21 00:41:27

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

jt wrote:

AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Head->KBD
Head->KBD
Head->KBD
Head->KBD

=XP

Why did you commit virtual suicide?

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#10 2014-06-21 02:41:13

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

so if you looked at your head in the mirror right now you would have   ASDFG   across your forehead?  smile


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#11 2014-06-21 03:24:31

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

Or a keyboard that got a brand-new paint job with a slight color of rose.

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#12 2014-06-21 09:44:18

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

I did have one bright spot in my Maddening MDD Day! I finally found the boxed Iomega Zip 750 Kit for the MDD  .  .  .

.  .  .  it'd be nice if I could get a System installed ss it's worth sticking it in there though.

Gotta go back to square one, I've been trying to use one of my Savvios on the Adaptec Controller card. It's past time to find and IDE drive to at least get X istalled on a boot drive somewhere inside the sucker. Maybe then the DVD I wrote from uni's .dmg will work for installing it an a second drive  .  .  .  [:(]

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#13 2014-06-22 03:50:12

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

N0T a great MDD day  .  .  .

.  .  .  first I put in a best offer for 4 x 1GB of PC2700/333, luckily the offer expired at the end of the auction so I wasn't stuck with that particular configuration of incompatible memory.

.  .  .  got home from work, got that good news and then found a great deal right off on 4 x 512MB for the MDD'03 and jumped before I looked yet again  .  .  .

I missed the "U" designation. hmm  PC2700U/333 ain't gonna work either would be my guess, but at least it's only a $5.49 Credit Hour in the school of hard knocks.

Don't buy anything in a hurry at lunch hour (1GB) or when I'm even more dopey than usual  (PC2700U) after I get home from work .  .  .


.  .  .  this makes two sets of incompatible RAM bought so far.  ID10T error! big_smile

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#14 2014-06-22 04:26:42

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

I know there have to be four 512 MB sticks of PC2700 in my bucket. I'll have them in the mail to you Monday.


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#15 2014-06-22 05:42:15

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

You're the man, mcd! THX!

I've been getting freezes when I try to install to the little SCA HDD on the Adaptec Ultra Controller Card.

I also get some funky memory errors at boot with the eMac installer CDs, but it boots up fine. I'm looking for an ATA drive of some compatible flavor in order to test the former. When said package arrives, I can test for the latter.

THX again, mcd! smile

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#16 2014-06-22 15:45:11

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

I've pulled the Adapted Controller and the Savvio SCA Drive  and I'm ready to transplant the half Gig IBM drive I snatched off the 'Bay for the Pismo500 as primary workstation project.

It's redundant now that the DA & QS'02 G4s are up and running again, Beater3 (said Pismo500) and Beater2 (Apparently overclocked PDQuicker) will be headed back to their original configs.

<  crosses fingers  .  .  . smile  >

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#17 2014-06-23 15:31:58

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

Remember (you probably already know this) that OS 9 is capped at 1.5GB. The other 0.5GB is reserved by the OS.

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#18 2014-06-23 16:46:26

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

I have a a pair of unregistered 1GB PC2700 modules here that should fit the bill. I'll test them in a MDD this afternoon and get them in the mail if everything looks tight.

EDIT: Geez, that is one noisy machine.

Yes, those modules work. OS 9 "sees" all "1.99 GB" of the "PC133" RAM. OS X 10.2's profiler shows everything properly as DDR RAM. This is on a FW400 MDD.


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#19 2014-06-23 17:37:45

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

THX, I'm a little hazy on partition cap limits, hence the FUBAR boot blocks on the 9.2.2 partition of my main workstation's HDD. I un(dim)wittingly installed it directly into the MetalMiniTower/G3 (formerly a Beige G3 Desktop) when both G4s were in the body and fender shop awaiting PSU/DonorBox acquisitions.

I hooked it into one of the  the Tempo Trios for backup to a handful of SavvioSCA160s on an Adaptec UltraCard that was painful with the G3 between the Ultra160/ATA??? x-fer rates.

Even DiskWarrior (after the backup) couldn't sort that mess out, but the drive's stable on both partitions aside from the boot block thing.

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As for the current bughunt, I figured the installer's tools would be able to sort out any partition limits, but Apple's DVM@$$ Disk Tools can't decide whether to $#!^ or go blind dealing with the Adaptec/Savvio combo  .  .  .  so it just hangs.

Gotta dig HDToolkit out of the pile after I drill four more holes in the impromptu drive carrier for the ATA drive. big_smile

I've gotta figure out what my iFrog password was and post a thread in hacks about adapting a defunct internal Zip drive bottom plate into a decent chassis for mounting an adapted 2.5" HDD in one of Apple's various mis-implementations of an industry wide standard. ID10T kluges every time!

Did they finally get over that NIH hangup? The MDD'03 is the youngest in the stable and, at first look, it appears as if Apple Engineering may have finally hired a clue.

Again, it's great to see your byline, Cameron. I'm hoping more 68k expatriates like yourself will be enlisting here over time.

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#20 2014-06-25 13:42:01

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

ID10T error: I just realized that this topic belongs in the dedicated OS discussion forum  .  .  .  hmm 

.  .  .  couldn't find it, I thought I was discussing the MDD'03, maybe I was thinking about the 12" AlBook?

Please delete this reply and nudge the topic down the index page a bit.

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#21 2014-06-25 14:02:19

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

eMac G4/800 (ATI) Installer/Restore Set Spec.01*

Info scribbled down from Installer startup screen:

Installer 1.3 (V194) (c) 2000-2002

Compatible with:

PowerMac G4
Power Macintosh G3
PowerBook G4
iMac and eMac
iBook

_________________________

V9    011403    000-5243-02

     ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

6003-2229 eMac Media USA
_________________________





*Currently available on eBay: no connection, just a happy customer passing info on a good deal to y'all. smile

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#22 2014-06-25 15:58:48

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

WAGs:

1) The 10.2 Installer set (2 Discs) appears to be about as universal as it gets: circa the May 6, 2003 - October 22, 2003 production span of the eMac/ATI  .  .  .

.  .  . but the Restore Disk (3 Disk Set) won't boot the MDD'03?

2) It very likely requires the 10.2 install to be done first, in which case this might be a PITA OS9 Install?

Since the eMac came with a bundled software suite (0S9 inclusive *&^*%$*&$# ) it might be the case that the resore set will be more machine specific, dunno, we'll see.

Target System: MDD'03/special edition/OS9 intro date of June 23, 2003 release date dovetails very nicely with the eMac/ATI release of May6, so I'm hopeful  .  .  .

3) Given the PITA policies of Apple regarding licensing of any OS past the generic 7.5.5 free distribution maintenance release and the mixed reception of the release of OS(suck)X by content production pros, I'm beginning to see a pattern. They didn't want user's installing Classic so they moved it to the restore CD Sets?

Questions:

OS9 was included as a standalone installer disk in OSX retail packages up to release ____________?

After Apple initiated the OS9 cleansing pogrom, the OS9 installer Disk appears to have been slashed and rolled into the OSX install/restore sets?

What was the last discrete OS9 installer CD __________?

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#23 2014-06-25 21:11:49

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

The last discrete OS 9 install CD was 9.2.1 (as far as I'm aware). The last version of OS X to come with a copy of OS 9 was 10.1.

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#24 2014-06-26 02:48:00

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

Discrete *retail CD*, you mean. There were bootable 9.2.2 machine specific CDs, including this one.

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#25 2014-06-26 04:37:34

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Re: OS 9.2.2 Universal Installer . . .

Huh, which one? The MDD'03/special edition shipped with a discrete OS 9.2.2 install CD? If not it, really should have. Are you talking about he 2002 MDD/FW400 image linked above,  is that a Discrete OS9.2.2 installer?

I'm confused, tired and cranky because a reluctant DeWalt Tool Case (battery powered nailer box) attacked my hands repeatedly, chewing them up pretty well while I was installing my second best LCD (ViewSonic 19" 4:3 Pivot) into its bottom half  .  .  .  don't ask. hmm

What key do I press to start the 12" AlBook up in Target Disk Mode? I thought I'd give booting the MDD'03 from the 10.4.11 install on that puppy a whirl just for shits-n-giggles. big_smile

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